[MD] growth and sustainability

[Woods Woods]

woods replied:
Why are you saying this to me?  Your point?  ...You're stuck in a left-right, two-party paradigm, sounds SOM. ... 

dmb says:
Well, first of all I think it is only realistic to look at our politics in terms of the two parties. Until something very 
big changes, that's just the reality we all have to deal with. 

woods:
I guess your giving up.  Settling with what's here.  The lesser of two evils.  Do what you will.  I'm 
not against it.  I'm in a different thread so to speak.  Nothing wrong with the heart I see.  The 
caring you have.  With care, we can all meet together at the same fire at night, even if our 
paths during the day take us on different hunts.  good hunting.

dmb:
But more importantly, SOM has nothing to do with my point. My point is that we can see the conflict 
between social and intellectual values in our politics and I was trying to make a case that we MOQers 
ought to be able to make a practical choice right now based on that. As I understand it, voting 
Republican this year is wrong in both senses of the word, which is to say it would be incorrect and immoral.

woods:
I wouldn't vote Republican this year either.  Nor am I voting Democratic.  My point about this two-party lock 
out system is everybody is forced into settling with "the reality we all have to deal with".  If your afraid 
voting for somebody outside these parties will then take votes away from Obama and McCain will get in, 
then who am I to speak against such fears?  That is a real concern.  My current principles are 
beyond this two-party system.  I've moved on into the realm where "something very big changes".  It's 
leap.  And it has to happen at some point in time.  I've made the move, just as others in the past started 
making the move into other parties.  Soon the numbers will grow and then others will do the same.  If nobody 
moves now, then the numbers will always stay small each election.  This is a long term plan I'm on.

dmb:
Take a look at Naomi Wolf's speech and then tell me if she is, in effect, making a case for the intellectual 
control of society or not.

woods:
Depends what you mean by "intellectual".  We each know some intellectual patterns may usurp and change 
the social level in an immoral way.  I know she'll say something very enlightening.  I'll be watching 
the clip.  I know her.  She's very well versed in what's happening.  I'll get back to you.


woods