[MD] Woman kills avatar

MarshaV marshalz at charter.net
Thu Oct 30 06:37:44 PDT 2008 

At 09:28 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote:
>You know i don't post often on this list - i can't respond very well to the
>more serious exchanges due to lack of knowledge of history of philosophy,
>lack of brains and pure laziness (self-deprecation doubling as honesty).
>Some people come here to play or laugh - that has it's uses in learning; i
>don't believe people here are dishonest though; like you, they say what is
>in their mind however misguided that may be sometimes. I don't think
>'griefers' stay long in moq_discuss. People come here to learn however
>obstinate they may appear.
>
>-KO

KO

Laziness and obstinate are like your initial charge of 
harsh.  Relative!  Want to unpack the terms and explain their relationships?

Marsha




>2008/10/30 MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
>
> > At 08:38 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote:
> >
> >> If you empathise with Lila's (Pirsig's) words so much then why did you
> >> remonstrate with Arlo's views on avatars and identity?
> >>
> >> -KO
> >>
> >
> > KO'd,
> >
> > I totally agree with Lila's (RMP's) words.  We are multifaceted patterns,
> > and other people are merely mirrors of our own value.
> >
> > My objection was to being honest on this list.  Within Second Life, or
> > Warcraft, or whatever, I don't care what role you want to 
> play.  But on this
> > MD List and Offlist, I want honesty as best it can be experienced.  If one
> > want's to play a role, just be honest about it.  The issue with me was
> > honesty, not identity.
> >
> > I don't want to get into this Arlo argument.  I might have once been naive,
> > but I no longer think of this list as a place of honesty.  I try to be
> > honest, but everyone else is playing games...  Well, dmb is not playing
> > games, but that's why he is one of my heros.
> >
> > I miss being able to look into your eyes.
> >
> > Marsha
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Marsha
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  2008/10/30 MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
> >>
> >> > At 08:05 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Good job i don't have a daughter then; I have always said i was glad
> >> not
> >> >> to
> >> >> have had a daughter because i think i would have been well out of my
> >> depth
> >> >> in that role. I have never imagined myself as a woman. I am not
> >> concerned
> >> >> about 'women's lib', i won't think about it, that is for women to
> >> struggle
> >> >> with. Men and women to me are like different species, consequently i am
> >> >> fascinated by women.
> >> >>
> >> >> Your laughing sounds scornful to me; i was serious when i offered the
> >> >> link.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > My laughing is not scornful, but "I mean, I used to play I was this kind
> >> of
> >> > person and that kind of person but I got so tired of playing all those
> >> > games. It's such work and it doesn't do any good. There's just all these
> >> > pictures of who I am and they don't hold together. They're all different
> >> > people I'm supposed to be but none of them are me. I'm not anybody. I'm
> >> not
> >> > here. Like you now. I can see you've got a lot of bad impressions about
> >> me
> >> > in your mind. And you think that what's in your mind is here talking to
> >> you
> >> > but nobody's here. You know what I mean? Nobody's home. "
> >> >
> >> > As much as I love ZMM, LILA, the MOQ, RMP and all on this list, I'm here
> >> > for Lila.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >  Don't understand your "yes, no and all of the above", it's not clear to
> >> me
> >> >> what you are refering to.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > I have no other way to explain what I meant.  Sorry.
> >> >
> >> > Marsha
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >  -KO
> >> >>
> >> >> 2008/10/30 MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > KO.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > At 07:06 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> I meant harsher than the artistic, feminine, earth woman vibes I
> >> >> usually
> >> >> >> get
> >> >> >> from you - probably I am guilty of stereotyping; rhymed with
> >> 'Marsha'
> >> >> >> though.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Maybe there is something lacking in your understanding of 'artistic,
> >> >> > feminine, earth women'?   You aren't one of those men who expect
> >> women
> >> >> to
> >> >> > behave like you would if you were a woman?   Many a man has destroyed
> >> >> his
> >> >> > daughter with that crap.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You did get me.  I had a good laugh, and a laugh is always good.  You
> >> >> must
> >> >> > have laughed at the thought of offering your article.  Nothing has
> >> many
> >> >> > sides.  I hope to laugh at them all.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >  Did you feel shame? Didn't you intent some sarcasm? Where is the
> >> real
> >> >> >> truth?
> >> >> >> Why do we have these emotions?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > No, I love to laugh.  I can laugh at the both of us.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >  The Bohr quote is too impenetrable for me.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -KO
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > To make it simple: yes, no and all of the above.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Marsha
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >  2008/10/30 MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > What do you mean by harsher?  Harsher than?  I didn't read your
> >> >> article.
> >> >> >>  I
> >> >> >> > was going to add this Bohr's quote, but didn't.  Are you trying to
> >> >> shame
> >> >> >> me?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I will present it again now:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "There are trivial truths and the great truths. The opposite of a
> >> >> >> trivial
> >> >> >> > truth is plainly false. The opposite of a great truth is also
> >> true."
> >> >> >> >         - Niels Bohr
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > At 06:29 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> So sarcastic - not so humorous for the couple involved though.
> >> >> >> >> Marsha you have a harsher side.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> KO
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> 2008/10/30 MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Posting the original article was suppose to be humorous.  Did I
> >> >> make
> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> >> > squirm?    Was it a virtual squirm?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > At 04:28 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7686595.stm><
> >> >> >> >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7686595.stm>Hi
> >> >> >> >> >> Marsha,
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> thought you might like to know of some less negative
> >> consequences
> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> virtual realm.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> This from the BBC:
> >> >> >> >> >> Saving Lives in a Virtual World<
> >> >> >> >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7686595.stm>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> regards
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> KO
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> > From: MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
> >> >> >> >> >> > Date: 2008/10/24
> >> >> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: [MD] Woman kills avatar
> >> >> >> >> >> > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > In recent years, virtual lives have had consequences in the
> >> >> real
> >> >> >> >> world.
> >> >> >> >> >> In
> >> >> >> >> >> > August, a woman was charged in Delaware with plotting the
> >> >> >> real-life
> >> >> >> >> >> > abduction of a boyfriend she met through "Second Life,"
> >> another
> >> >> >> >> virtual
> >> >> >> >> >> > interactive world.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081023/ap_on_re_as/as_japan_avatar_murder
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > .
> >> >> >> >> >> > .
> >> >> >> >> >> > The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each
> >> is
> >> >> a
> >> >> >> >> >> > reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated
> >> >> harmony
> >> >> >> >> >> without
> >> >> >> >> >> > end.
> >> >> >> >> >> > .
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> >> >> >> >> > .
> >> >> >> >> > .
> >> >> >> >> > The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is
> >> a
> >> >> >> >> > reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated
> >> harmony
> >> >> >> >> without
> >> >> >> >> > end.
> >> >> >> >> > .
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> >> >> >> > .
> >> >> >> > .
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> >> >> >> > reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated harmony
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> >> >> > .
> >> >> > .
> >> >> > The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is a
> >> >> > reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated harmony
> >> >> without
> >> >> > end.
> >> >> > .
> >> >> > .
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> >> > .
> >> > .
> >> > The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is a
> >> > reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated harmony
> >> without
> >> > end.
> >> > .
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> > .
> > .
> > The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is a
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> > end.
> > .
> > .
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The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is a 
reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated harmony without end.
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