[MD] On the road to serfdom

[Woods Woods]

Arlo,
    You made my point about left and right.  I don't 
even know what they are.  Bush said he was conservative, 
but was very liberal in his conduct of spending and gov't 
growing.  So, this left and right gets nowhere I think unless 
we keep track of what a person is actually doing, not politicalizing, 
that's all talk.  Obama's been saying he'll get the troops out of 
Iraq, Ron Paul went out on a limb and said Obama 
will not be able to get the troops out of 
Iraq in the timeline Obama states.  I think by the actions 
of the politician in the presidency, the better question, I think, 
is the gov't more left or right (not the president or Congress), but 
the giant, the static institution, the bureaucracy, and all the static routines 
where people sign up for a job and have certain interests to fulfill 
according to the playbook.  I think the gov't is right, if right 
means war-like, and Obama will fit right in with that.  He's already 
beating the war drums.  He's voted for wire-tapping, Patriot Act, etc... 
He's all in for that.  This pointing out of right and left is SOM because 
it's a silly simplistic notion of a person's actions and a gov't actions.  I 
mean were talking about two categories, two parties, left or right, yet, 
it's so much more than this.  This interpretation was made for first graders to 
understand, don't you think?  But in the meantime it cut-outs most of the 
actions and information about what's happening.


woods  



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From: Arlo Bensinger <ajb102 at psu.edu>
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 2:01:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] On the road to serfdom

[Mel]
'The Left" is anyone pushing a social agenda and using government to do it.

[Arlo]
So your contention is that organizations like Family First, Focus on the Family and The Heritage Foundation are "leftist" for their sponsorship of online censorship legislation, while groups like Amnesty International, ACLU and the EFF are "rightist" for their support of free speech and challenges to this legislation?

Does that make those who sponsor and support a flag burning amendment "leftist"? And those who favor the freedom to burn flags "rightist"? What about those who seek to pass a law defining marriage as "between a man and a woman", in effect using government to define marriage, are they "leftist"? And those who support the right of the individual to marry a partner of their choosing would be "rightist"?

What about bans on public nudity (under "decency" laws). Would you say those who support and sponsor public decency legislation is "leftist", while nudists and those who argue for the freedom to behave in public free from governmental control "rightists"?

Its an interesting redefining of the labels, and I am eager to hear the self-professed "rightists" in this forum condemn the vile leftists who want to censor flag-burning, use government to define marriage for others, and force people to wear clothing in public.

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