[MD] Virtually meaningful?

[MarshaV]

I think I'd rather spend time with the eagle, hawk, fox, deer and 
otter in the neighborhood.  Even my respect for the intelligence of 
trees has just taken a large uptick.


At 07:47 AM 9/9/2008, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I don't view Second Life as a game; I never tried World of Warcraft or other
>such games. For me Second Life is more like an elaborate chat room. We could
>all get accounts there and set up an MoQ discussion group and we could get a
>hall with chairs in a circle and chat in text or voice over; I went to such
>a set up in SL recently - Naughty Auties (for autistic/asperger's adults).
>In this respect it is no different than MoQ discuss - except that email is
>slower and that may make us think more about what we write. I should add
>that in SL although you may change your avatar's appearance the avatar name,
>which always hovers above the avatar like a halo, never changes.
>
>People in Second Life often buy a piece of land and 'build' and furnish a
>house on it, but this is just an extension of the same impulse some have to
>create a weblog or set up their own website - which I know many in
>Moq-discuss already do; it is self-expression - like painting.
>
>The aspect that is difficult to accept is that all that's done and created
>in these virtual worlds is one more step removed from the inorganic and
>organic realms that we are more deeply connected to in 'real' life. The
>virtual world is all 1s and 0s out there in the ether, and to organise all
>these 1s and 0s we have to sit in front of a computer for long periods to do
>it - hey, but we all do that anyway (I am an infrequent contributor here but
>some people here must spend hours everyday mailing to MoQdiscuss).
>
>A few days into Second Life I had a real life dream that a ghost was
>controlling my limbs; it was slightly disconcerting but no where near as
>much as the recurring dream I used to have of a ghost chasing me or sitting
>on my chest while I was asleep.
>
>-Peter
>
>
>
>
>
>2008/9/9 MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
>
> > At 02:46 AM 9/9/2008, you wrote:
> >
> >> [Marsha]
> >> Am I naive to expect trust and honesty between posters?
> >>
> >> [Arlo]
> >> Trust and honesty are not tied to some "real identity", Marsha. How are
> >> the
> >> value of my words tied to some corporeal image and whether or not that
> >> image is
> >> "my actual body"? How does Arlo's "alter egos" or "other personae" detract
> >> from
> >> whatever quality my ideas here may hold?
> >>
> >> The only "Marsha" I know is the one whose "reality" has been constructed
> >> here,
> >> from her words, and from whatever information "she" has chosen to add. I
> >> do not
> >> care if this "Marsha" is different from any other identity ("Marsha" or
> >> otherwise) that also resides in the gray matter oHi f some particular
> >> corporeal
> >> body somewhere. The "Marsha" I care about is the one that exists here,
> >> indeed,
> >> that is the only "real" Marsha I will ever know. And the value of your
> >> words
> >> are based on that, not on some expectation that all your personae have
> >> some
> >> continuity that is mistakenly portrayed as "honesty".
> >>
> >
> > I no longer think we have a shared understanding of "honesty" or trust.  I
> > just don't.
> >
> > Do you think you're teaching us some jolting, grand lesson about the self?
> >  Do us simple misguided patterns need your guidance?   You make me laugh.
> >
> >
> >
> >  [Marsha]
> >> Are Krimel, SA, Margaret, Chris and Ron just Arlo amusing himself,?
> >>
> >> [Arlo]
> >> And if you found out all these did share the same corporeal host, how
> >> would
> >> that detract from any value you've found in their words? Besides, maybe we
> >> should let the cat out of the bag and let everyone know that "Marsha" is
> >> one of
> >> my alter-identities.
> >>
> >
> > I'm not saying it should matter to you.  Call me conventional, but it does
> > matter to me.
> >
> > My phone number is 203.746.1715.  Call.  I'm in Connecticut, not
> > Pennsylvania.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  [Marsha]
> >> And that's not a problem?
> >>
> >> [Arlo]
> >> It would be a problem for you, I suppose, if you based the Quality of
> >> their
> >> words on the illusion that they all inhabited different gray matter. What
> >> that
> >> has to do with anything, I don't know, but it's the only problem I could
> >> see.
> >>
> >> When we read Lila, for example (or any book), we have the illusion that
> >> the
> >> characters are "different people", but Lila, Rigel, Phaedrus, all of them
> >> are
> >> "just Bob" amusing us with his narrative. Along the way we've learned a
> >> lot
> >> from this chorus of Bobs, and we quote them here as if "Lila" really said
> >> something, or "Rigel" said this, when in actuality it was all Bob.
> >>
> >> Does that make the value of what "Lila" said any less, Marsha? I'm
> >> guessing
> >> not, since you quote "her" very often in this forum.
> >>
> >
> > Arlo, you do not need to justify what you do, JUST BE HONEST.  Announce
> > that you do not wish to be one integrated (conventional) individual, but
> > would like to assume multiple personalities.  You could be Arlo(Krimel), or
> > Arlo(SA) or Arlo(Margaret).  I might find that acceptable.   At least in
> > your game all would know the rules you play by.
> >
> >
> > A particular author writing for multiple characters is not deception.  It's
> > understood as the nature of a novel and storytelling.
> >
> > Arlo, what do you want?   I mean it.  Bottom line, what do you want?
> >
> > Marsha
> >
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> > Shoot for the moon.  Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars.........
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