[MD] Virtually meaningful?

David M davidint at blueyonder.co.uk
Sat Sep 13 08:19:10 PDT 2008 

Hi virtual folk

One interesting thing about a virtual world might be how it makes
us familiar with new possibilities that we are told cannot
be realised in the square world, opening up more DQ.

DM

> Actually Marsha, you got me started ...
>
> This is why we need "conversations" as well as difficult arguments ...
> to establish these things.
>
> If someone's first post on a discussion forum was an incredible claim
> that "The traffic lights turn blue tomorrow." You would have to assume
> some rhetorical trick ... or that their word was not to be trusted
> literally.
>
> It would be much easier to work out where to place that trust, if
> there had been a history of conversations where you'd established that
> the person was likely to be a Hendrix fan and one who indulged in
> rhetorical games.
>
> It's also one reason why virtual worlds are valuable, because if you
> know the world is virtual, you can learn these things faster by taking
> greater risks with less tangible downside, when exhibiting less
> credible behaviour - flirting, testing each other out, in more
> outrageous ways, etc ...
>
> Ian
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Ian Glendinning
> <ian.glendinning at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ok Marsha, me too in fact.
>>
>> People start with a blank slate (100% trust) with me ... but their
>> behaviour maintains it there ... (or not) ... not earning from zero
>> ... very important item for me too ... and I won't get over it ;-)
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:26 PM, MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net> wrote:
>>> At 03:54 PM 9/10/2008, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>> he "toleration" is nothing to do with me Marsha, the online identities
>>>> are tolerated / trusted by all who interact with them. The only person
>>>> with any actual power to decide if an identity is "valid" is Horse.
>>>>
>>>> But I see Arlo has picked-up the "identity" question ... I'd agree
>>>> with the general point it's not about a name, or even a zip code or
>>>> phone number - they can all change - it's about the constancy and
>>>> consistency (or not) of many overlapping patterns ... mainly patterns
>>>> of text and "behaviour" in e-mails, since we are an e-mail forum, with
>>>> little else to go on.
>>>>
>>>> Are you naive to expect trust and honesty betweeen posters ? No you
>>>> are not, but trust has to be earned (whatever anyone's name).
>>>>
>>>> Ian
>>>
>>> Ian,
>>>
>>> Twenty years ago I might agree with you that trust has to be earned. 
>>> Today
>>> I'm willing to believe people will be honest.  I understand that people 
>>> make
>>> mistakes and every set of patterns has a different experience and 
>>> therefore
>>> may perceive a different truth.  But I want to believe people are being 
>>> as
>>> honest as possible.  It provides a better living experience.   Of course 
>>> I
>>> have been mistaken, but so what.  I acknowledge that death may be an 
>>> instant
>>> away, and I don't want evaluating trustworthiness to dominate my 
>>> experience.
>>>  Besides, intuition really directs my interactions with the world.  So I
>>> don't really think much about it.  Well, except for now in this forum. 
>>> But
>>> I'll get over it.
>>>
>>> Marsha
>>>
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>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 11:36 PM, MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net> wrote:
>>>> > At 06:09 PM 9/8/2008, you wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "The Old Plant" was of course a spoof from the outset Marsha ... it
>>>> >> just landed in the forum at a moment when others would rather not 
>>>> >> hear
>>>> >> the idea of a hoax you may recall. My timing never was that good.
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi Ian,
>>>> >
>>>> > At the time, there was only shock!   It had to do with honesty and
>>>> > trust,
>>>> > and it took me a while to readjust.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> I'm confused about doubts about multiple "false" identities - there
>>>> >> clearly are / have been a few. They are tolerated so long intent is
>>>> >> not low-quality.
>>>> >
>>>> > They are tolerated???  Who is the "they"?  Where is the definition of
>>>> > "tolerated"?  And who decides to the placement on the value on a
>>>> > high-to-low
>>>> > scale?   Have you been making these assessments?  Please share your
>>>> > involvement on the Board.
>>>> >
>>>> > If individuals want to construct new identities, there are obviously
>>>> > websites where this is the purpose.  Go!  Have a good time.  It seems
>>>> > honest
>>>> > because everybody knows that it's happening.  But, pardon me, I 
>>>> > thought
>>>> > that
>>>> > in a MOQ forum, honesty, at least, would be valued.
>>>> >
>>>> > Seems to me there's a difference between anonymity and bullshit.  I
>>>> > don't
>>>> > buy Arlo's rationalizations for this forum.  Am I naive to expect 
>>>> > trust
>>>> > and
>>>> > honesty between posters?   Are Krimel, SA, Margaret, Chris and Ron 
>>>> > just
>>>> > Arlo
>>>> > amusing himself,?  And that's not a problem?
>>>> >
>>>> > Gee, I'm really stupid, aren't I?
>>>> >
>>>> > Hahahahaha.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> Ian
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 4:48 PM, MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net> 
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> > At 04:25 PM 9/8/2008, you wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> I think the general conclusion I have come to is
>>>> >> >> that this forum IS virtually meaningless...
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> thanks for opening my eyes to that one..
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> this, the mad hatters tea party..
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Ron,
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Relax.  A couple of years ago Ian came out with a post claiming he
>>>> >> > had
>>>> >> > uncovered the fact that Platt was RMP.   I went into deep shock. 
>>>> >> > My
>>>> >> > trust
>>>> >> > ratio went to zero for a while.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > If nobody in this forum is being deceptive and dishonest within 
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > forum,
>>>> >> > it might just be an interesting discussion.  The topic of self
>>>> >> > (identities)
>>>> >> > is fascinating when patterns are interrelated and constantly
>>>> >> > changing.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > What do you think?   Might this be a chance to empty some of that
>>>> >> > tea?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Marsha
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > .
>>>> >> > .
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Shoot for the moon.  Even if you miss, you'll land among the
>>>> >> > stars.........
>>>> >> > .
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