[MD] The Quest for Quality

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Ham 

At times you make sense in the sense of writing in a way that makes 
sense. You must be from an age close to mine, born in the thirties.  

15 Sep:
> Ah, yes.  The infamous and ill-conceived "static/dynamic" split.
> (I might as well get this off my chest as well.)  Patterns, like
> movement and change, are differentiated events which only occur in a
> relational system.  Relation is the nature of physical reality which
> is secondary to the primary source.

Do you agree that we - the Western culture at least - live in a mind-
matter split existence? That is the point of departure for the MOQ. Or 
perhaps I should start with the even more fundamental question: Do 
you agree with Pirsig's opening move that there exists no human 
beings without a notion of how existence is ordered  ... before spoiling 
it by making metaphysics the Aristotelian kind of "a theory about an 
already theory/reality-divided existence?

That's all for a start.

Bo


 











> I never understood why the Pirsigians insist that their fundamental
> reality must be dynamic, while its derived patterns are static.  This
> seems illogical to me.  Even in the mysticism of the Orientals, what
> is absolute and whole is unchanging, whereas the mind interprets it as
> a flow of pluralistic events.
> 
> You see, Marsha, for the essentialist Essence is static and immutable,
> impervious to the conditions of finitude.  It is existence which is
> differentiated and transient.  And this is because the locus of
> subjective experience -- individuated awareness -- is detached from
> the essential source, thus limited in its perspective.  In biblical
> terms, we "see through a glass, darkly."  What we see is a finitely
> differentiated "reduction" of the absolute source.
> 
> Tell me, Marsha: Does Pirsig acknowledge DQ as the primary source?  IS
> there a primary source in the MoQ?  If you can't answer this 
> affirmatively, then I would submit to you that the Quality hierarchy
> has no fundamental reality and is merely a paradigm for experiential
> existence.
> 
> --Ham
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