[MD] The Quest for Quality

[MarshaV]

At 03:10 AM 9/16/2008, you wrote:
>At 08:19 PM 9/15/2008, you wrote:
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>>[Marsha]:
>>>My beef is your insinuation that Quality, which is beyond
>>>definition, needs to be associated with words like:  primary,
>>>first, or purpose.  To call Quality the primary source is an
>>>attempt to make it static, turn it into a static pattern of value.
>>>You go too far.
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>>Ah, yes.  The infamous and ill-conceived "static/dynamic" split.
>>(I might as well get this off my chest as well.)  Patterns, like 
>>movement and change, are differentiated events which only occur in 
>>a relational system.  Relation is the nature of physical reality 
>>which is secondary to the primary source.
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>Relation and change represent reality's empirical nature.
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>>I never understood why the Pirsigians insist that their fundamental 
>>reality must be dynamic, while its derived patterns are 
>>static.  This seems illogical to me.  Even in the mysticism of the 
>>Orientals, what is absolute and whole is unchanging, whereas the 
>>mind interprets it as a flow of pluralistic events.
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>This statement is way too general for understanding.  I doubt that 
>you have a full understanding of Eastern mysticism or its 
>teachings.  Even within Buddhism there is still a debate concerning 
>whether there is really 'two truths' or one.
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>>You see, Marsha, for the essentialist Essence is static and 
>>immutable, impervious to the conditions of finitude.  It is 
>>existence which is differentiated and transient.  And this is 
>>because the locus of subjective experience -- individuated 
>>awareness -- is detached from the essential source, thus limited in 
>>its perspective.  In biblical terms, we "see through a glass, 
>>darkly."  What we see is a finitely differentiated "reduction" of 
>>the absolute source.
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>>Tell me, Marsha: Does Pirsig acknowledge DQ as the primary 
>>source?  IS there a primary source in the MoQ?  If you can't answer 
>>this  affirmatively, then I would submit to you that the Quality 
>>hierarchy has no fundamental reality and is merely a paradigm for 
>>experiential existence.
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>RMP states that Quality is indivisible, undefinable and 
>unknowable.  Quality is beyond conceptualization.  I think it would 
>be safe to state that experience is the primary source of patterns.

Sorry, I almost forgot:  I'm thinking equal significance, not hierarchical.

Marsha




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