[MD] The Quest for Quality

[MarshaV]

Hello Ham,

At 12:38 PM 9/16/2008, you wrote:
>Ron, Marsha, Bo [Chris mentioned] --
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>[Ham, previously]:
>>Tell me, Marsha: Does Pirsig acknowledge DQ as the primary 
>>source?  IS there a primary source in the MoQ?  If you can't
>>answer this affirmatively, then I would submit to you that the
>>Quality hierarchy has no fundamental reality and is merely a
>>paradigm for experiential existence.
>
>[Ron]:
>An accurate assessment.
>
>[Marsha]:
>>RMP states that Quality is indivisible, undefinable and unknowable. 
>>Quality is beyond conceptualization.  I think it would be safe to 
>>state that experience is the
>>primary source of patterns.
>
>But the experience (of patterns) doesn't qualify as the source (of reality).

Why not?  What experience do you have outside of your patterns?


>  You've got to have patterns before you can experience them.  Where 
> do they come from?

Who is not a bundle of patterns?  I would think most patterns come 
from the previous moment.


>    I'm not asking you for definitions.  But unless the capacity to 
> experience (i.e., sensibility or consciousness) is primary, and is 
> what Pirsig really meant by Quality, your answer confirms my 
> assertion that the MoQ has no essential foundation.

Quality and experience are synonyms.


Marsha




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