[MD] The Quest for Quality

[MarshaV]

At 06:09 PM 9/16/2008, Ham wrote:

>Hi Chris --
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>[Ham, to Marsha]:
>>I never understood why the Pirsigians insist that their fundamental
>>reality must be dynamic, while its derived patterns are static. This
>>seems illogical to me. Even in the mysticism of the Orientals,
>>what is absolute and whole is unchanging, whereas the mind
>>interprets it as a flow of > pluralistic events.
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>[Chris responds]:
>>Ah, yes. But no. Dynamic means that it is not static. not that it is
>>something roaming around creating things, jumping around and
>>inspiring artists and such. It is all ONE, but two and many in one.
>>Dynamic Quality is constant, and the static patterns exists in it and
>>through it. It is all Quality, only in different forms. So, therefore,
>>indeed we interpret the world around us as a "flow of pluralistic
>>events", and DQ as something that "hits" -but really it is Quality
>>seeing Quality, from a particular, static, point of view. \
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>Yes, but no?!  Yes, dynamic means not static.  But no, the 
>evolutionary world of change and difference is obviously not static, 
>whether its "patterns" are static or not.  (I don't see objects and 
>events as patterns. I look for symmetry and repetition in existence 
>like you do, and these can only appear in a differentiated dynamic 
>universe.)   Whatever your labels, everything experienced in our 
>created existence is in constant flux and motion -- and, patterned 
>or not, that means DYNAMIC.
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>But it is unreasonable by Occam's razor, or any other logical 
>principle, to assume that ultimate reality, the primary source 
>itself (what I call Essence), is multiplistic and subject to a 
>beginning, an end, or the fluctuations between.  Religion, 
>mysticism, and philosophy have all posited a unitary, immutable 
>Creator as the eternal source.  And I do not have the temerity to 
>challenge that concept, even if Mr. Pirsig doesn't acknowledge a 
>creator and happens to think DQ is something that "hits" him.
>
>Let's get REAL.
>
>--Ham



Greetings Ham,


Temerity?  What religion and philosophy have done has been 
unbelievably egotistical and arrogant.  Why not leave it a 
mystery???  Why not let it unfold before you in all its many 
aspects?  No need to worship.  Just appreciate and the rest will 
follow.  We are a part of this, not separate.  Can you really look at 
the way the wrong point-of-view has botched things and still ignore 
the stupidity?  There must be balance!!!  Instead of spending every 
moment afraid of "death", why not appreciate the life before 
you?  You suggest that RMP has been arrogance?  It is you and men 
like you that have been, and still are arrogant.

Watch the movie "Mindwalk".  The physicist in the movie states it 
correctly and in the right context.  I know it's just a movie, but it 
makes some correct observations.

Marsha




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