[MD] apocalypse...now?

[gav]

krimel, erm....what r u on about?

i'm just sitting here watching the wheels fly off





--- On Sat, 27/9/08, david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MD] apocalypse...now?
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Received: Saturday, 27 September, 2008, 2:39 AM
> Krimel said to Gav:
> The world has been transformed into something entirely new
> about every decade in the recent past.
> 
> dmb says:
> How so? I guess it depends on what you mean by
> "revolution". I don't see anything that
> deserves the name. If you're talking about computers, I
> disagree. Starry-eyed geeks talk about cyber-utopia but all
> I see is a pointless acceleration of the same old same-old.
> Politically speaking, we've been moving backward.
> Socially, everything looks like a re-treaded version of the
> same old issues we've been dealing with since the 19th
> century. So what's entirely new? What transformations
> have you seen in the last decade or two or three?
> 
> Are you saying that you DON'T have the sense that
> we're on the verge of something? I do. I think global
> warming is pretty freakin' epic, for example. This
> little ball is getting pretty damn crowded too. If this
> latest financial collapse is as big as they say, it will be
> a new version of the global depression we saw in the
> '30s. Civilization is literally fueled by stuff
> that's running out. The collapse of these huge
> unsustainable systems seems to be converging, exerting
> pressure from several sides at once. It seems these are the
> kind of pressures that will really push events, force some
> real changes and it's about to happen whether we like it
> or not. 
> 
> If the apocalypse is "the time when things are
> revealed" then this would deserve the name. Now is the
> time when the inherent contradictions in our way of being
> are being exposed for what they are. Our unsustainable,
> hyped-up, gasoline-powered ego-mania is running way too hot
> and she's gonna seize up. Or fly apart.
> 
> P.S. Gav, on behalf of the American people, I want to
> apologize for the quality of the food you encountered on the
> road between Minneapolis and Bozeman. (Can't get a
> decent cup of coffee anywhere between them either.) That is
> probably the worst region in North America, foodwise. I
> should have made it a point to hit some of the restaurants
> when you were here in Denver. There are a dozen good ones
> right here in the neighborhood, some of which even serve
> American food. My back yard isn't too bad this time of
> year either. We had hundreds of peaches - our friends and
> neighbors each took dozens and the squirrels and birds were
> happy about it too. We've got grapes, eggplants and the
> pumpkins are already huge. There's a free-range organic
> rancher in southern Colorado, a Japanese guy with a parcel
> of land as big as Tokyo for his family and the cows.
> (Although, "Coleman" is the brand name.) Best
> steaks I ever ate. The difference in quality is not very
> subtle either. I mean, nothing else will do now. Normal beef
> is just downright bad by comparison. It's like I can
> taste their miserable, lot-fed, filthy lives. This is just
> as true for chicken. 
> 
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