[MD] THE TOWER

[MarshaV]

Hope I didn't spoil your fun.

I have tried to understand Ham's sense of self.   It seems to be a 
self that is independent and essential, a small self, a conventional 
self.  An entity that attaches and desires.  That would be ego, 
yes?  Yet, when he starts talking about value-sensibility, I think 
there may be something there.  But I still don't know what.  The 
language is difficult to untangle.

Marsha








At 02:41 PM 9/29/2008, you wrote:
>Faire Marsha,
>Thine awareness runs deep, lightbringer, morningstar.
>Lucifer the obsessive lover, Satan the avatar of man.
>does this Hamilton speak of ego or of mind?
>they are not the same, truly the ego is the doer
>and through Satan that doer is destroyed.
>Rendered assunder,purified with flame.
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>From: MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
>To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 12:46:30 PM
>Subject: Re: [MD] THE TOWER
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>And what lead this THE TOWER?  What came before?  (I do love a good story!)
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>THE DEVIL
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>Basic Card Symbols
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>A winged, horned devil, a black pedestal, a naked male and female
>figure, chains, inverted pentagram.
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>Basic Tarot Story
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>The Fool comes to the foot of an enormous black mountain where reigns
>a creature half goat, half god. At his hooves, naked people linked to
>the god's throne by chains, engage in every indulgence imaginable:
>sex, drugs, food, gold, drink. The closer the Fool gets, the more he
>feels his own earthly desires rising in him. Lust, passion,
>obsession, greed. "I refuse to give into you!" he roars at the Goat
>god, resisting with all his might. The creature returns a curious
>look. "All I am doing is bringing out what is already in you," the
>beast responds. "Such feelings are nothing to fear, nothing to be
>ashamed of, or even to avoid." The Fool gestures angrily at the
>chained men and women, "You say that even though they are enslaved?"
>The Goat-god mimics the Fool's gesture. "Take another look."
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>The Fool does so, and realizes that the chained collars the men and
>women wear are wide enough for them to easily slip off over their
>heads. "They can be free if they wish to be," the Goat-god says,
>"Though you are right. I am the god of your strongest desires. But
>you see here only those who have allowed their base, bestial desires
>to control them." At this the Goat-god gestures upward, toward the
>peak of the mountain. "You do not see those who have allowed their
>impulses and aspirations to take them up to the top of that mountain.
>Inhibitions can enslave as easily as excesses. They can keep you from
>following your passion to the highest heights." The Fool realizes the
>truth in this, and that he has mistaken the Goat-god. Here he
>understands now that it is not a creature of evil, but of great
>power, the lowest and the highest, both of beast and god. Like all
>power it is frightening, and dangerous...but it is also the key to
>freedom and transcendence if understood and well used.
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>Basic Tarot Meaning
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>Perhaps the most misunderstood card of all the major arcana, the
>Devil is not really "Satan" at all, but Pan the half-goat nature god
>and/or Dionysius. These are gods of pleasure and abandon, of wild
>behavior and unbridled desires. With Capricorn as its ruling sign,
>this is a card about ambitions; it is also synonymous with temptation
>and addiction. On the flip side, however, the card can be a warning
>to someone who is too restrained, someone who never allows themselves
>to get passionate or messy or wild - or ambitious. This, too, is a
>form of enslavement. As a person, the Devil can stand for a man of
>money or erotic power, aggressive, controlling, or just persuasive.
>This is not to say a bad man, but certainly a powerful man who is
>hard to resist. The important thing is to remind the Querent that any
>chain is freely worn. In most cases, you are enslaved only because
>you allow it.
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>Thirteen's Observations
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>This card explores some very frightening things, things we are taught
>to view as evil or shameful. Like earthy materialism, sexual desire,
>valuables, food, or drugs. Lack of control, excess, obsession and raw
>ambition. At its absolute worst, this is either the addict or the
>stalker, totally obsessed, enslaved. At its best, this is a card
>about giving into impulse, cutting lose, going for the gold, climbing
>every mountain. Among all the cards, this is one of the most complex;
>interestingly because no other card is so one-sided. Most cards urge
>balance, unity, restraint, yin-yang.. Not this card. Completely tilted
>toward the masculine, it is a card that revels in extremity. There is
>a convincing argument that this is the most powerful and dangerous
>card in the deck. Magically speaking, it is the one card in the deck
>that holds the secret of how to escape the material and temporal
>bonds of Earth. It is a very potent and fascinating card.
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