[MD] Chance v. Dynamic Quality

[Joseph Maurer]

Hi Markhsmit,

Your happiness is contagious.  I don't like the word "mystic."  It is too
close to magic, or imaginary.  I prefer "instinctive" which gives body to
the word "undefined", and makes training like education, and levels of DQ
useful.  How can you train a mystic?  "Evolution" remains undefined and I
have to appeal to order to use DQ, which requires a further evolution.  IMO
"Absolute (quality)" is a metaphor from social awareness, I am king!
Intellectual quality is undefined at the social level.   It seems I have to
posit "personal enlightenment" to reveal the existence DQ beyond intellect.

Joe 


On 4/2/09 5:52 PM, "markhsmit" <markhsmit at aol.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I have been happily reading Joe's use of active, passive, and neutral, to help
> paint Quality or its subsets.  Another way to look at manifestation, is how
> the Vedantins did.  Our misperception is a result of veiling, projecting, and
> revealing. Scientifically, misperception (illusion) is through time, space,
> and causation.  Modern physics is using equations to break through the
> misperception to show that perhaps The absolute (Quality) is changeless,
> infinite, and undivided, which shows through because of its revealing powery.
>  According to John Dobbs (http://quanta-gaia.org/dobson/EquationsOfMaya.html),
> which I read a while back and am paraphrasing, Absolute reality can be
> interpreted by what shows through (or is behind) our apparitional view.
>  Mystics and physicists are both describing the same thing using different
> languages.
> 
> Willblake2
> 
> 
> On Apr 2, 2009, at 3:44:08 PM, "Joseph Maurer" <jhmau at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On Tuesday 2 April Krimel writes to Joe:
> 
> <snip>
>> [Krimel]
>> There seems to be a math epidemic. I suspect that your equations
>> might mesh with Andre's somehow but I don't see how attaching
>> numbers supports the idea of an undefined DQ. Quality is undefined.
>> DQ is change.
> 
> High all,
> 
> Is a manifestation the same as order? Quality is DQ/SQ. DQ represents
> order, evolution, SQ represents a manifestation within an order. Logic is
> tricky in an individual manifestation and we have courts of law.
> 
> Mathematics carries an aura for logic which is unassailable except for its
> premises. Figures don¹t lie, but liars can figure. I want to make a
> distinction between a description of an individual DQ/SQ moral order, and a
> manifestation within that order which is also DQ/SQ.
> 
> The individual responds to law. I manifest in three ways active, passive,
> neutral. Laws for an individual being are laws for manifestations. I don¹t
> get put in prison for breaking a law of evolution. I live I die!
> 
> Evolution is an order in existence! Behavior is an order of manifestation,
> active, passive or neutral. Consciousness is DQ at the social level. SOL is
> DQ at the Intellectual level.
> 
> At the social level DQ is an undefined social aspect of an evolutionary
> order in existence. The result is a law of order with the appeal to 4 or 7
> laws. I manifest as lawful, unlawful, or biding my time (asleep) at the
> individual level. 
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> On 4/1/09 5:48 PM, "Krimel" <Krimel at Krimel.com> wrote:
> 
>> [Krimel]
>> OK but I don't think DQ is undefined. Quality is undefined. I think
>> Pirsig conflated the two out of enthusiasm and others follow out of
>> blind obedience.
>>  
>> [Joe]
>> [+1 (defined SQ) +0 (undefined DQ)] -1 (defined level of evolution) = 0. In
>> a MOQ manifestation in a level of evolution, the individual is negated and
>> undefined DQ is in an order of morality, existence.
>>  
>> [Joe] 
>> If DQ is defined +1 (defined DQ) + 1 defined SQ = 2 outside of order.. Who
>> knows what evolution means with 2 in 0 order.
>>  
>> +0 undefined DQ +1 defined SQ + 0 order = 1 individual manifestation, the
>> order is unnamed.
>>  
>> [Krimel]
>> There seems to be a math epidemic. I suspect that your equations might mesh
>> with Andre's somehow but I don't see how attaching numbers supports the idea
>> of an undefined DQ. Quality is undefined. DQ is change.
>>  
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