[MD] Catching up to Pirsig

[MarshaV]

Platt,

It seems the sun has gotten hotter, and colder, and the earth 
adjusted both ways.  And of course humans are a part of the world, 
but so were dinosaurs.  There are probably as many opinions about 
purpose as there are stars in the sky.  I cannot think that your 
opinion is truer than mine.  Since opinions are static patterns of 
value, none are absolutely true.


Marsha




At 11:14 AM 4/14/2009, you wrote:
>Marsha,
>
>I don't consider humans apart from the world. On the contrary. They are
>very much part of earth as well as the universe, being structured from
>inorganic and biological patterns. That's why it has always amused me when
>a scientist denies the universe has no purpose while at the same time her
>purposeful life makes her denial a lie. To put it another way, I wonder
>what her purpose might be in stating the universe has no purpose. Such
>statements are as self-refuting as, "There are no absolutes." As for Gaia
>its days are numbered because the sun will eventually burn out. By that
>time humans will have had to find a way to populate other planets or they
>too will be history. But just as life discover strategems to overcome
>physical and chemical forces, I'm confident it will find a way, by
>responding to DQ, to survive the earth's eventual demise.
>
>Platt
>
>
>
>
> > Platt,
> >
> > Betterness from the point-of-view of 'this world' as compared to the
> > betterness of DQ's total freedom?  Is this the betterness
> > missing?  Well you may be correct.  There doesn't seem to be any
> > consideration for stability in most of the scientific drive for
> > economic progress.  I like better James Lovelock's Gaia
> > point-of-view, which says that in the end Earth will survive as it is
> > a self-correcting system.  Mr. Lovelock is also optimistic in
> > thinking that there will be humans that survive too.  And the Gaia
> > hypothesis seems more like the MOQ interrelationship between static
> > and dynamic forces.
> >
> >
> > Marsha
> >
> >
> >
> > At 10:21 AM 4/14/2009, you wrote:
> > >Marsha,
> > >
> > >"But static patterns, nevertheless, provide a necessary stabilizing
> > force
> > >to protect Dynamic progress from degeneration. Although Dynamic
> > Quality,
> > >the Quality of freedom, creates this world in which we live, these
> > patterns
> > >of static quality, the quality of order, preserve our world. Neither
> > static
> > >nor Dynamic Quality can survive without the other." (Lila, 9)
> > >
> > >Does this passage answer your question?
> > >
> > >Platt
> > >
> > >
> > > > Platt,
> > > >
> > > > Does RMP specifically use the word 'progress'?  Is freedom always
> > > > progress?  From what point-of-view?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Marsha
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 09:11 AM 4/14/2009, you wrote:
> > > > >Hi Marsha, KO, DMB, et al:
> > > > >
> > > > >The big thing missing from current evolution theories and
> > applications
> > > > is
> > > > >any notion of things getting better or, as we MOQer's believe,
> > progress
> > > > >towards greater freedom and versatility. It has always bothered me
> > that
> > > > >precious little attention is paid to ever expanding consciousness
> > over
> > > > time
> > > > >from the first little wiggle of life to the worldly mind of a Mozart
> > or
> > > > an
> > > > >Einstein. In other words, science, totally dependent on measurable
> > > > surface
> > > > >data, has largely been unable to deal with the steady evolutionary
> > > > >expansion of interior awareness, the real indicator of Dynamic
> > > > progress,
> > > > >"Are you better off as a woman than a mouse?" The MOQ answer: "You
> > > > betcha."
> > > > >That's progress!
> > > > >
> > > > >Platt
> > >
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