[MD] Science Wars

[MarshaV]

At 02:16 AM 4/20/2009, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>I believe there is pure science and applied 
>science.  It takes a lot of money to conduct 
>science these days.  We are also in a capitalist 
>system where everything needs to be justified by 
>return on investment.  Because of this, science 
>today is mainly applied science.  I hear screams 
>of anguish from the tax payer when goldfish 
>behavior is being funded..  It is all so money 
>driven.  I have worked in science for many 
>years, and find some of the joy is removed by 
>the "bottom line".  That is not to say that 
>science does not provide comfort in many 
>cases.  But I would agree that the greed of our 
>system, our insecurity, and need for pleasure, 
>has brought out the demon in science.  This is 
>everybody's fault, you too Marsha.

Will,

Because I have a warm body?  Because I have a 
computer and love my iPod?  Please do explain how 
it is my fault.  Isn't that like blaming the 
chickens for the fox eating them?

Marsha



>It is a hard balance, for me, to work my 
>profession in biotechnology science and maintain 
>a spiritual outlook.  Science has become a 
>manipulative tool that seems very short 
>sighted.  I work daily, in my job, to try to 
>mitigate the current pleasure principle of 
>science, with reason.  There are some of out 
>there working behind the scenes to try to temper 
>the irrational product oriented nature of the 
>business.  In the end, it may have always been way out of our control anyway.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Willblake2
>
>
>On Apr 18, 2009, at 6:30:16 PM, "david buchanan" 
><dmbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Marsha said to Krimel: Calling my statements 
>"bitching" and "silly" doesn't address the 
>issues I raise. Bacon is a man who stated that 
>Nature needed to be tortured for her to give up her secrets. Come on...
>dmb says:
>Yea, come on Krimel. The myth of the mad 
>scientist has been in the popular imagination 
>for a couple centuries now. From Frankenstein's 
>monster to Darth Vader, the fears inspired by 
>science and technology have taken the shape of 
>monsters and villians. Even Kafkaesque 
>nightmares about inhuman bureaucracies get at 
>this same fear of faceless, mechanical 
>rationality. Its no use pretending you don't 
>know what Marsha is talking about.
>In the case of genetically modified crops, for 
>example, the corporations have introduced seeds 
>from which the farmer can not grow the next 
>generation of seeds. That way the farmer has to 
>buy new seeds each season. In the interest of 
>profit, they've engineered a dead seed. What if 
>this artificial mutation spreads to other 
>seed-bearing plants or even all seed-bearing 
>plants. What would be left on earth? Not us. The 
>chances are probably very small but with 
>consequences like that very small is way too big.
>Its a cultural problem. Its bigger than science. 
>Its about a scientific world view, materialism, 
>reductionism and efficiency at the expense of 
>quality. Its about being overwhelmed and out of 
>balance. Its about loving power and control rather than peace of mind.
>Pretending that Marsha is just making this stuff 
>up won't fly around here. Its the problem for 
>which ZAMM is the solution, you big snarky 
>square.. She's giving you all kinds of clues but 
>you just stick your fingers in your ears and sing "La La La". Its a dern shame.
>
>
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