[MD] A Tiny Hominid With No Place on the Family Tree

[MarshaV]

Btw, Kali is known as the Mother of Time.



At 05:32 AM 4/29/2009, you wrote:



>I am happy to have Paul back too.  I had no knowledge of Buddhism 
>when he was here before so I'm sure I had no inkling of what he was 
>saying.  Since then I have stumbled through my understanding of 
>Buddhism with many tears and much uncertainty, and a feeling that 
>Kali is missing.
>
>
>
>At 04:54 AM 4/29/2009, you wrote:
>>Yes, yes Marsha,
>>
>>I think I've said several times that all sorts of "why" questions that
>>appear to expect purposeful (or simply causal) answers are undermined
>>by the fact that time itself is a weird pattern - to say the very
>>least - as an answer, even evolution is not immune from that problem.
>>(On reason why it is good to have Paul back on line ... alternative
>>views on causation, and hence time.)
>>
>>Regads
>>Ian
>>
>>On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:45 AM, MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Ian,
>> >
>> > OMG!  Isn't evolution just the institutionalization of time?   And isn't
>> > time a static pattern of value that spins off other 
>> patterns?   Something is
>> > strange with this picture...   Time???
>> >
>> > It seems too late and too silly to worry about winning 
>> arguments, and maybe
>> > I can learn to be content with the wind as my friend, at least 
>> the colors of
>> > the wind, and all that dust in the wind is endlessly fascinating.
>> >
>> >
>> > Marsha
>> >
>> >
>> > At 04:14 AM 4/29/2009, you wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I consider that very wise Marsha.
>> >>
>> >> I call your "There are not the resources to chase down all anomalies
>> >> and alternative hypotheses"
>> >> The "Life's too short" hypothesis, but it doesn't win me any friends
>> >> or arguments ;-)
>> >> Ian
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:37 AM, MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Greetings Ham,
>> >> >
>> >> > You seem dangerously naive  to me because of the ease with which you
>> >> > overlay
>> >> > an idealized science onto a working science.  There are not the
>> >> > resources to
>> >> > chase down all anomalies and alternative hypotheses.  And the answers
>> >> > reached are often guaranteed by the method, questions and instruments
>> >> > used
>> >> > for evaluating a theory.  How long did it take to correct Newton's
>> >> > physics?
>> >> >  How many hundreds of years to make that correction?  From what I've
>> >> > read
>> >> > there were plenty of anomalies along the way.  (In my mind, 
>> it is better
>> >> > to
>> >> > see time and space as static patterns of value, conceptually
>> >> > constructed.
>> >> >  It is a better perspective.)  And I hardly think that 
>> science as a tool
>> >> > of
>> >> > politics, profit and the military make it an exalted institution.
>> >> > Science
>> >> > needs to work better.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Marsha
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > At 12:51 AM 4/29/2009, you wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Marsha and Platt --
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> [Platt]:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The Darwinists are hard pressed to explain hobbits.
>> >> >>> The theory is now challenged from within.
>> >> >>> Wonders never cease.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> [Marsha]:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Intelligent Design is not credible science.
>> >> >>> My concern is that science is blindly followed without an
>> >> >>> understanding of its danger points, and I am relieved
>> >> >>> that it is being challenged.  It should be properly
>> >> >>> evaluated and monitored by all citizens.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Intelligent Design is not Science at all.  It is an intellectual
>> >> >> perspective of reality based on man's sensibility to symmetry and
>> >> >> order.
>> >> >>  When we say that the universe is intelligently designed, by whose
>> >> >> "intelligence" are we judging its design?   Human beings are rational
>> >> >> creatures who impute their own intelligence to the objective world
>> >> >> because
>> >> >> of its value (high-quality) to them.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The "wonder" is that you don't realize scientific anomalies like the
>> >> >> newly
>> >> >> discovered  hobbit skeletons are constantly being challenged.  The
>> >> >> method of
>> >> >> Science is: investigate - test - confirm.  When you read the entire
>> >> >> article,
>> >> >> you see that paleontologists, biologists, and archeologists are
>> >> >> currently in
>> >> >> the "testing phase", ruling out possible explanations, such as early
>> >> >> migration of a more primitive species, reversion to an ancestral
>> >> >> lineage,
>> >> >> genetic mutations or pathological disorders, or island dwarfing.
>> >> >>  Eventually
>> >> >> they will have the evidence they need to confirm a conclusion.  Until
>> >> >> then,
>> >> >> unlike armchair speculators and journalists, they withhold 
>> any official
>> >> >> pronouncement.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> As Stony Brook's anatomist, speaking for the research team, 
>> said, their
>> >> >> investigation has entered "a period of wait and 
>> see.  ...Someday people
>> >> >> [will ask], why was everyone so puzzled back then - it's plain to see
>> >> >> where
>> >> >> the little people of Flores came from."  That's the way Science works.
>> >> >>  If
>> >> >> Science depended on the "evaluation and monitoring" of uninformed
>> >> >> citizens,
>> >> >> reaching objective conclusions would be about as rare as it is on this
>> >> >> forum.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --Ham
>> >> >>
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