[MD] Tracey Emins take on what is Art

[Mike Craghead]

Hi All!
Thought I'd pass along this ancient link to discussions past, since it
touches on art-vs.craft:
http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/2006-August/005188.html
Thanks
Mike Craghead
humboldtmusic.com/mc
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:15 PM, kieffer odigaunt <
kieffer.odigaunt at googlemail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for your interesting reply John, sounds like you appreciate Tracey
> Emin in the same ways i do.
>
> That also sounds like an interesting book - i will look it up. When i think
> of craftsmanship i think of attention to technique and the physical
> awareness of self that is necessary to do very fine work - following the
> process becomes a meditation. Some works of art show little or no technique
> and yet may still be the result of a cultivated awareness necessarily more
> dynamic and spontaneuous than the more crafty approach.
>
> -KO
>
> 2009/8/3 John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
>
> > KO, Ian, Platt and Lu,
> > I thought it best to stay out of this one because I can sense getting
> into
> > trouble.  I already did a little bit.  Remember the part in ZAMM when
> > DeWeese really wanted the Narrator to condemn those rotisserie
> instruction
> > manual?  But he couldn't?  It was a bit like that yesterday when Lu
> looked
> > up this woman's art on her web page and went off on her.  "Look at this,
> > this isn't art."
> >
> > But I liked it.  I didn't spend more than a few cursory glances but some
> of
> > those were highly evocative and moving.  Simple lines can be so
> expressive
> > sometimes and I like the juxtaposition of text and image in moving ways.
> >
> > Some stuff did look fairly slapdash, but I intuit a social force at work
> in
> > the career of an artist, wherein with a bit of fame and popularity her
> > paintings sell for the same reason autographed pictures sell - reputation
> > and celebrity convey a social value beyond the merely artistic.
> > And is this not also a species of good?  For it financially helps a
> worthy
> > artist who has scaled the peak.  Lu is always jealous of artistic success
> > that lacks a certain craftsmanship.
> >
> > And that distinction between art and craftsmanship was what lured me back
> > to
> > the dialogue like a fat man to his fridge when he knows there is beer in
> > there.   Lu said she remembered the dialogue with Arlo, but thought we
> > concluded that art and craftsmanship are the same.  I said, no, Arlo says
> > that but I disagree.
> >
> > There is such a plain difference to me between faithful representation
> > through craft, and intellectual creation using craft - it's like static
> > quality and dynamic quality standing in such sharp juxtaposition that we
> > can
> > almost see the labels popping out of their differing molecular
> structures.
> >  This is even more obvious to me after reading Schlain's Art and Physics
> > and
> > seeing how dynamic intellect has historically evolved in art - that is,
> > non-linguistic conceptualization of truth - prior to the more formal
> > symbolic logic of math and words.  This is fascinating to me because it
> > puts
> > art in a whole different category than mere aesthetic appreciation.  It
> > also
> > fascinates me in contemplating that this pre-linguistic conceptualization
> > might be a key to our differing interpretations of "pure experience".
>  But
> > that's a completely different thread.
> >
> > John
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