[MD] Ironistic Metaphysics

[MarshaV]

Maybe the act of a true sophist...          



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hiya,

> Hi all,
> 
> What is metaphysics? Does everyone have a metaphysics? Or
> can people get by without being metaphysicians?
> 
> Rorty:
> "I shall define an "ironist" as someone who fulfills three
> conditions: (1) She has radical and continuing doubts about
> the final vocabulary she currently uses, because she has
> been impressed by other vocabularies, vocabularies taken as
> final by people or books she has encountered; 

gav: i thought we were speaking english. seems i was mistaken


(2) she
> realizes that argument phrased in her present vocabulary can
> neither underwrite nor dissolve these doubts; 

so she doubts? 


(3) insofar as
> she philosophizes about her situation, she does not think
> that her vocabulary is closer to reality than others, that
> it is in touch with a power not herself. Ironists who are
> inclined to philosophize see the choice between vocabularies
> as made neither within a neutral and universal
> metavocabulary nor by an attempt to fight one's way past
> appearances to the real, but simply by playing the new off
> against the old."

wtf? jesus. looks like ironist metaphysicists are those that lose themselves
in self-referential (meta-)drivel.

does he mean ironic? which would actually get closer to the heart of the
matter...ie the truth, the nebulous, dynamic, all-encompassing truth loves
irony, it is a creature of paradox...hence tetralemmic shenanigans.

it's not the vocab, its how you use it; the hermetically sealed world of
bullshit jargon makes 'philosophers' look like dickheads as far as i can
tell. shakespeare didn't need meta-vocabs, neither did pirsig, the measure
of thought is its comprehensibility, the measure of a thinker is his ability
to render his conception in analogues that are as generally comprehensible
as possible.

in the end mytho-poetry is the higher logic, the logic beyong the literal,
the logic that reconciles opposites, that moves past the wild oscillations
of the relative. this is the wisdom of the heart - 'when the heart rules the
mind the living is divine' (tim rogers).

it is only in the heart that we know certainty, know the tao: the heartmind
as the chinese say....don't we all know this already?

quality is aesthetically apprehended. it has to be lived, incorporated,
felt....analysis, alone, separates, it hinders this integration when left
unchecked. 

anyway


 
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