[MD] Philosophy and Philosophology

[Andre Broersen]

Ham to Andre:
Okay, I stand corrected.  However, an abstraction from absolute or
"universal" Goodness still does not equate with immorality.  Our inability
to see the woods for the trees does not make the trees evil.  Where does
evil and dysfunction come from?

Andre:
Well, you are kind of hinting at it Ham...through our 'incorrect' vision'
(for ex. thinking the universe is fundamentally made up of subjects and
objects and inventing the weirdest relationships between them resulting in ,
amongst other things platypi).
Also remember that the 4 levels are different evolutionary levels of
morality.

And, by the way, I am assuming that I understand what you mean by 'evil' and
'dysfunction' (risky thing to do). Both are low quality PoV's to begin with
but to quote Pirsig: 'Morality is not a simple set of rules. It is a very
complex struggle of conflicting patterns of values...It's out of this
struggle between conflicting static patterns that the concepts of good and
evil arise'. (Lila, p 167)

Ham:
"We LIKE harmony" proves my point.  The value of Goodness is that WE PREFER
it and choose to act on it.  Quality (Value) is NOT innate to the universe.
It is realized only by man's sensibility.

Andre:
Quality has the universe. 'Particles 'prefer' to do what they do. An
individual particle is not absolutely committed to one predictable
behaviour'...it 'is just a very consistent pattern of preferences' (Lila p
107)
And just look around you and at the night sky to realise what wonderful
preferences have been combined.

Ham:
If badness drives toward goodness, you have an evolutionary source starting
with evil.

Andre:
I do not agree Ham. It starts with potential.

Cheers
Andre