[MD] 'Uncertainty

[MarshaV]

Ian,

Yes, they are all there.  It must have been very dynamic times, indeed.  War
and hate everywhere, and they were safe within their abstract concepts.  I
understand that isn't really a fair statement.  -  It is a very enjoyable
book.  I have another one like it next in the queue. I'm only beginning to
understand the language.   
 
 
Marsha    


p.s.  Page 86 of the paperback edition.  




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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Ian Glendinning
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Subject: Re: [MD] 'Uncertainty

Absolutely Marsha,

Einstein, Heisenberg and Bohr, not to mention Schroedinger and Born,
all I believe (and have said before) got the metaphysical implications
of the weirdness before them - the lack of intrinsic reality for any
of us.

Trouble is Copenhagen, (and "many worlds" and the like) created
mathematical recipe books, that simply ignored them - LHC continues to
ignore them.

(I shall have to take a look at that Lindley reference.)

Regards
Ian

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:49 AM, MarshaV<valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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> >From 'Uncertainty: Einstein, Heisenberg, Bohr, and the Struggle for the
Soul
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> "   . "When it comes to atoms," Bohr concluded enigmatically, "language
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> be used only as in poetry.  The poet, too, is not nearly so concerned with
> describing facts as with creating images and establishing mental
> connections."
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>   This, to Heisenberg, was strange and revelatory.  Only a generation
> earlier, Boltzmann and his allies had argued strenuously for the atom as a
> concrete .thing., not a theoretical abstraction, still less a poetical
> allusion.  Was Bohr now saying that physicists couldn't hope to describe
> atoms concretely, that they must make do with analogies and metaphors?
 That
> the intrinsic reality of an atom was inaccessible to them?  That perhaps
it
> was meaningless even to talk about the intrinsic reality of an atom?"
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