[MD] Consciousness (explained?)

[markhsmit]

Hi All,
I have been reading your posts on this subject, and have learned some.
It has been suggested that I do not understand MOQ, which is fine
if there is a single understanding of it.  I can always learn more of
the rules of such a subject.

What I am reading in posts is the description of consciousness in the third person.
That is, the presence of consciousness as a phenomenon.  What my post
last week was referring to was the "enigmatic self-consciousness" that 
Bodvar refers to below.  I have come to understand that such consciousness
does not have any physical attributes, in fact it does not exist.  It is, however,
fed by such things as Value.  As I am deciphering Ham's attempts at 
explaining his ontology, I find certain meaning.  However, while I can
put consciousness into a semantic box, I still cannot fathom why it is mine.
It is that personal presence that requires some metaphysical feedback.

In my readings on Dzogchen, I have been instructed not to use logic...
I have found the term "open non-appropriative awareness" to be
somewhat useful.  Does this term fit in with your ontology Ham?

Thanks,

Willblake2

On Aug 17, 2009, at 11:38:27 PM, skutvik at online.no wrote:
I suspect 
it is the more enigmatic "self-consciousness" which is at the stake, but 
Pirsig's above seems not to address that, rather to demonstrate how 
Quality is necessary for anything to be perceived at all, the point refined 
in the "cutting edge of time" argument.