[MD] Consciousness (explained?)

[Dwaipayan Lahiri]

This I believe was Nagarjuna's use of prasanga (or Dialectics) to  
show that any position in a debate can be reduced to absurdity and  
contradiction.

This is meant to show that no categorical framework in itself is  
absolute...neither the "truth claims" that they make. The "Truth"/ 
Reality that people see/adhere to is simply a result of the  
categorical framework they use.


Dwai Lahiri





On Aug 22, 2009, at 10:55 PM, markhsmit wrote:

> Thanks for that Dwai, I am still struggling to understand
>
> Willblake2
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> On Aug 22, 2009, at 8:48:55 PM, "Dwaipayan Lahiri"  
> <dlahiri at realsysadmin.com> wrote:
> From:  "Dwaipayan Lahiri" <dlahiri at realsysadmin.com>
> Subject:    Re: [MD] Consciousness (explained?)
> Date:   August 22, 2009 8:48:55 PM PDT
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> There are 4 ways of viewing the world when we are separated
>> from the source.  Of things have existence, non-existence, having
>> both existence and non-existence, and having neither existence
>> or non-existence.  All of these are dualistic.  When I say it is
>> not terminal to believe this way, I mean that there is a different
>> way to think.
>
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> Nagarujuna in a nutshell...
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> :D
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> On Aug 22, 2009, at 10:37 PM, markhsmit wrote:
>
>> On Aug 20, 2009, at 10:50:31 PM, "Ham Priday"  
>> <hampday1 at verizon.net> wrote:
>> I have a problem with "understanding" that is not intellectual.  
>> Like your
>> friend, I am fond of Wagner's music and can be moved to tears by  
>> the strains
>> of Tristan and Isolde. But this esthetic experience isn't  
>> "understanding",
>> nor is an altered state of consciousness induced by chemicals or  
>> meditation.
>> I can understand a mathematical equation, a logical syllogism, a
>> cause-and-effect process, or a set of ideas that relate to my  
>> experience.
>> I don't know about you, but I'm unable to gain understanding by  
>> reciting a
>> mystic mantra or contemplating my navel.
>> Hi Ham,
>> Understanding that is not intellectual is most of your being.
>> You can understand intellectually Wagner, and you can
>> listen to it with understanding.  You can intellectualize
>> a sunset and you can watch it.  You can understand basketball,
>> and you can play it.  You can understand reality, and you can
>> practice it.
>> Which provides more understanding?  I feel that
>> intellectualizing it provides less than living it.  It is one step
>> removed, and fractioned into words.
>> Your estrangement from the source, is what is called Samsara.
>> Forget Wikipedia, what I mean is the experience of dualism.
>> I think you might agree with me there.  This condition was
>> recognized many, many years ago, when man had more time
>> to think.
>> It is possible to experience the world in a non-dual manner.  You
>> may claim that such an experience is simply a condition of the
>> brain, but you don't know until you have experienced it, otherwise
>> it is simply intellectualizing.
>> There are 4 ways of viewing the world when we are separated
>> from the source.  Of things have existence, non-existence, having
>> both existence and non-existence, and having neither existence
>> or non-existence.  All of these are dualistic.  When I say it is
>> not terminal to believe this way, I mean that there is a different
>> way to think.
>> You may claim that you do live your life according to your
>> ontology.  If that is true, you are contemplating your navel
>> in a most meaningful way.  You are meditating, there is nothing
>> magical about it.
>> Peace,
>> Willblake2
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