[MD] The percolating SOL

[skutvik at online.no]

Hi David M.B.

23 Aug. 2009
. 
Writing about Scott Roberts put me in a sentimental mood. People 
have come and gone, some have stayed for many years, if I had had 
the energy I would have looked into the archives to check how long 
Scott stayed but I can't forget him. Come to think of it I can't forget 
"riskybiz" either, or Maggie Hettinger or Wavedave or Donald 
Palmgren or Diana or Magnus or Denis (Poisson)  or, or  ... people I 
no longer remember the names of but still sense the "impact" of. 
Luckily we still have you Dave (and Platt [along with me the Nestor] 
and Matt and off-&-on Anthony McWatt) around. Besides some of the 
present participant are working up a formidable "tenure". We allegedly 
just discuss the MOQ but there's a sense of being pioneers of 
something huge, like the early Greek thinkers who sensed the 
enormity of (what we know is) the intellectual level .... 

.... but - sigh - this is the very  "bone of contention"..     

Bodvar said:

> As long as the MOQ is seen as an intellectual pattern (instead of
> intellect a MOQ level) SOM is alive. Intellect remains a mental,
> mindish realm where ideas reside, SOM one idea, the MOQ another
> idea, allegedly a good idea, but nevertheless a subjective CONCEPT
> different from the objective world "out there"  ... and SOM
> prevails.

DMB says that Pirsig says:

> He noted that although normally you associate Quality with objects,
> feelings of Quality sometimes occur without any object at all. This
> is what led him at first to think that maybe Quality is all
> subjective. But subjective pleasure wasn't what he meant by Quality
> either. Quality decreases subjectivity. Quality takes you out of
> yourself, makes you aware of the world around you. Quality is
> opposed to subjectivity  ...
... snip. 

I wish you would extract the meaning of this and tell how it contradicts 
my passage above.


Much obliged

Bodvar