[MD] The relativity of the MoQ

[Platt Holden]

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On 24 Aug 2009 at 11:12, X Acto wrote:

> A good MoQ arguement to follow, and I invite Platt in on it, is this:

Thanks for the invite.

> IS a culture that values intellectual quality vs. one that does not, truly 
> superior
> even if that cultures intellectual level destroys and undercuts it's 
> social level?

No. Pirsig makes this clear in Chapter 24 of Lila:

"In the battle of society against biology, the new twentieth-century
intellectuals have taken biology's side. Society can handle biology alone
by means of prisons and guns and police and the military. But when the
intellectuals in control of society take biology's side against society then
society is caught in a cross fire from which it has no protection,"

> IS a intellectually destructive society
> superior to
> a socially oppressive society?

A socially oppressive society would be an intellectually destructive
society. Current case in point: North Korea. Rephrase the question?

Thanks for asking, Ron.

Hello Platt,

So you think western american culture and mid east Islamic culture
are pretty much the same in that they are both intellectually destructive?

interesting

Hey Ron,

Except the intellectually savy in America never went along with the morally
challenged intellectual elites in the western academy who admired Uncle Joe
in Russia and Mussolini in Italty. With the elections of Eisenhower, Reagan
and Bush, the trend towards authoritarianism which has always appealed to
Roosevelt-type intellectuals was stopped in its tracks. Now, however, free
speech and other individual rights are again being threatened by incipient
fascists in the Obama administration. Its attack on the CIA shows it taking
biology's side against society. It's attempt to determine who lives and who
dies by taking over  health care shows a similar predisposition. The next 
few
months will tell the story.

Regards,
Platt