[MD] Consciousness (explained?)

[MarshaV]

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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Ham Priday
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On Aug 23, 2009, at 12:56:39 AM, "markhsmit" <markhsmit at aol.com" wrote:


> Hi Ham,
>
> I experience the world in a non-dual manner, by neither of the above,
> because that would be subjecting it to the duality of logical thought.
> It is not a logical experience per se. Much in the same way that the
> feeling of happiness has no logic to it. It is beyond the intellect,
> which merely tries to enclose it, and sometime I feel, diminish it.
> In terms of "meaning", this can be achieved non-intellectually in a
> more true manner than otherwise. (OK, what is true, what is meaning,
> I know the routine). I would posit that what you call intellectual
> understanding is just an extension of what you term experiences.
> You like your ontology because it feels right, not because it is logical.
> What differentiates it from another ontology which may have much
> more logic behind it?  It is that it feels right to you.  If you change
> your mind, it is not because of additional logic, it is because it feels 
> better.

You confirm the duality of existence when you say "I experience the world." 
Logic doesn't make the subject "I" and the object "world" two different 
essents.  Your experience does.  And experience only becomes intellectual 
when you draw conclusions from it.  Yet, you claim to "experience the world 
in a non-dual manner" without the aid of logic or your intellect.  Unless 
your conscious experience is seriously impaired, I can only conclude that 
your "experience" of non-duality is a fantasy of your imagination.


Greetings Ham,

There is experience without the imposition of concepts/self&object. Read
Steve Hagen's book and follow instructions.  Practice makes possible.    


Marsha