[MD] Consciousness (explained?)

[X Acto]

I second the motion



----- Original Message ----
From: John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:19:47 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Consciousness (explained?)

mark,
for me this problem is cleared up by Ellul's distinction between the
differing realms of Truth and Reality.

If I see a chair, (and at the moment, I do) then that is my observed reality
put together by my brain from the image available.  My written statement
about me seeing a chair is a bunch of words that I put together to express a
truth.

So...  negation is a concept with a truth-value and saying "not-chair" is
mixing up these two differing realms of reality and truth which leads to
confusion.

So the chair recognizes your motion to table the chair.



On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:38 PM, markhsmit <markhsmit at aol.com> wrote:

> Hi Ron,
>
> What I was trying to impart was that there is more to this
> world than opposites.  A chair does not have an opposite.
> The presence of a chair does, that is, its absence,  But the
> chair itself does not.  Isn't it possible to discern what is real
> and what is not by wether it has an opposite?  Think about it.
>
> I could have used table instead of chair, but then I guess we
> could always table the chair idea.
>
> Willblake2
>
> On Aug 26, 2009, at 3:59:17 AM, "X Acto" <xacto at rocketmail.com> wrote:
> From:  "X Acto" <xacto at rocketmail.com>
> Subject:    Re: [MD] Consciousness (explained?)
> Date:  August 26, 2009 3:59:17 AM PDT
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Mark,
> As the post reads, "chair" implies one,
> it's is-ness.
> to speak of nothing, implies something.
>
> As you state, there is no "non chair"
>
> opposites are implied in concepts.
>
> the concept of a thing, immediately suggests no-thing
>
> but we speak about nothing as if it were a thing.
>
> "chair" is a very general word to denote usefulness
>
> it could be a position one holds on a comittee
>
> or anything used to sit apon
>
> what kind of chair?
>
> -Ron
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: markhsmit <markhsmit at aol.com>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:58:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Consciousness (explained?)
>
> Ron,
> what is the opposite of a chair?
>
> Willblake2
>
> On Aug 23, 2009, at 6:21:58 AM, "X Acto" <xacto at rocketmail.com> wrote:
> From:  "X Acto" <xacto at rocketmail.com>
> Subject:    Re: [MD] Consciousness (explained?)
> Date:  August 23, 2009 6:21:58 AM PDT
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Mark,
> and about reification of language
> when intellectualizing
>
> any one word
> immediatly implies it's opposite
> it's IS-ness
>
> we understand words in relation to  other words
>
> -Ron
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: markhsmit <markhsmit at aol.com>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 11:57:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Consciousness (explained?)
>
> Dwai,
>
> Is this the same thing as the mind being a mirror?
>
> Willblake2
>
> On Aug 22, 2009, at 8:50:37 PM, "Dwaipayan Lahiri" <
> dlahiri at realsysadmin.com> wrote:
> From:  "Dwaipayan Lahiri" <dlahiri at realsysadmin.com>
> Subject:    Re: [MD] Consciousness (explained?)
> Date:  August 22, 2009 8:50:37 PM PDT
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Can the Sun shine on it's own light? The Light is it's nature.
> Consciousness is the nature of the subject. What it illuminates is
> the object.
>
> Dwai Lahiri
> Ph: 847-845-9956
> http://www.realsysadmin.com
> dlahiri at realsysadmin.com
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 22, 2009, at 10:20 PM, craigerb at comcast.net wrote:
>
> >
> > Bo,
> > Can you explain for me the difference between 'subject/object'
> > & 'the value of subject/object'.
> > Craig
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