[MD] Overcoming the System

[X Acto]

Bo:
But this is the "MOQ an intellectual pattern" assertion that prevents it 
from transcending SOM or Intellect which is supposed to be a MOQ 
pattern.and thereby a reality of its own with no umbilical chord to the 
Aristotelian kind. This Q-reality one either can refuse to enter or one is 
caught in it like a black hole. This above - MOQ an intellectual pattern 
- makes the MOQ incomplete, I compare it with Socrates whose 
obsession was TRUTH but oblivious to the SOM that was to grow from 
it. Pirsig DID however make the MOQ but his obsession with Quality 
and seeing as independent of the MOQ .... OK everybody knows my 
frustration here.

Ron:
Socrates "obsession" was virtue, eudimona, living a good life. A life of
Quality.

And thats the whole point Bo, It's argueable one can literally transcend your intellect
but you can transcend particular intellectual patterns.

One could say, through meditation and peyote experiences one "transcends"
intellect, but my experience has been that it breaks intellect down into it's
base componants revealing patterns like objectivism as  constructions.

Umbilical chord?  rejecting objectivism is not throwing the baby out with the
bath water it just means we are rejecting it's assumptions as what IS.

DQ/SQ is not what IS

just another way to understand Experience,  more inclusively,
one that does not relegate value as subjective in an objective
universe but makes value
central to understanding all experience.

this is MoQ's great explainitory power

That value (Quality) creates the world we live in

every last bit.

you talk of reality as it were a DQ/SQ substance
out there as the deeper split of subject/object

that static quality is the origin of s/o
and SQ the spawn of DQ.

Literally

Objectively

And when you use the term "subjectivist" pejorativly as you do
in reference to the Pragmatists position you only prove this point.

-R






























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