[MD] [MD} The relativity of the MoQ

[Horse]

Platt
Please point me to a website or other where there is mention of a "Death 
Panel Provision" in the proposed government policies. I'm not talking 
about right-wing propaganda rags but actual government legislation text 
which uses that term.

In your so called civilised country if you do not have adequate 
insurance then you get little more than an aspirin and/or a band aid - 
i.e. minimal medical assistance on a charitable basis. Tens of millions 
of people in your country do not have medical insurance and therefore 
many thousands die from lack of healthcare provision.
Decisions are made on a financial basis that cause people to die. The 
people who make these decisions are the real Death Panels not the 
fictitious nonsense you're talking about.

As for the Torygraph headlines you refer to I don't see anything about 
people dying from lack of healthcare - there may be a few but compared 
to the likely numbers in your own country I don't think I'll be getting 
too nervous just yet. When I need healthcare in my country I get it 
without having to worry about whether I've paid my recent insurance 
contributions. On the whole the healthcare over here is excellent - I 
know as I've experienced it.

Horse

plattholden at gmail.com wrote:
> On 30 Aug 2009 at 1:39, Horse wrote:
>
>   
>> Platt
>>
>> The whole idea of "death panels" is little more than right-wing 
>> scaremongering and hype.
>>     
>
> If that were true, the left-wingers, who have majorities in both houses, 
> wouldn't have had to withdraw the death panel provision from their 
> proposed bill. Sorry. You misfired.
>
>   
>> Although you already have a form of it anyway - no insurance and you're 
>> as good as dead.
>>     
>
> Maybe so in a few, isolated cases. But under your wonderful NHS, those 
> WITH insurance are as good as dead. Headline in UK Telegraph 
> newspaper, 27 Aug:
>
> "Cruel and neglectful care of one million NHS patients exposed."
>
> Subhead:
>
> "One million NHS patients have been the victims of appalling care in 
> hospitals across Briton, according to a major report released today.
>
> Among the findings:
>
> " . . . elderly people left in pain, in soiled bed clothes, denied adequate 
> food and drink, and suffering from repeatedly cancelled operations, 
> missed diagnoses and dismissive staff."
>
> Yes, government health insurance is truly wonderful. I just pray that we 
> here in the U.S. will not be forced to enjoy it's beneficence.
>
> (Incidentally, that's sarcasm. Threatening bodily harm isn't.)
>
> Platt. 
>
>
>
>
>
>   
>> plattholden at gmail.com wrote:
>>     
>>> On 29 Aug 2009 at 13:05, ARLO J BENSINGER JR wrote:
>>>
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>>>       
>>>> [Arlo]
>>>> Ah, the true colors of the "conservative". Bravo!
>>>>
>>>> [Platt]
>>>> Thanks. Conservatives believe in equal justice under the law. 
>>>>
>>>> [Arlo]
>>>> Nope. Conservatives obviously believe is distorting the facts, calling it
>>>> "fairness" and then using such outrageous distortions to silence their
>>>> opponents. That was the "true colors" you displayed.
>>>>
>>>> [Platt]
>>>> You also made outright threats. Now you try to make excuses and cover your ass. 
>>>>
>>>> [Arlo]
>>>> Name one.
>>>>
>>>> "Death panels"... ai yi yi... you are such a fucking moron.
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> So "moronic" that the libs had to take the "death panel" provision out of 
>>> proposed government health bill.
>>>
>>> So "moronic" that the notion of "death panels" may kill the bill 
>>> altogether, saving the highest quality health care in the world from 
>>> disaster.
>>>       
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