[MD] The relativity of the MoQ

[Andre Broersen]

Platt to Andre:
You want a quote from Pirsig?. Read this, then tell us what you read
between the lines.
"My personal feeling is that this is how any further
improvement of the world will be done: by individuals making
Quality decisions and that?s all. God, I don?t want to have any
more enthusiasm for big programs full of social planning for
big masses of people that leave individual Quality out... etc etc

Andre:
Two points Platt:
1) this solution is from the narrator (a boring, social level guy who hasn't
had a new idea in years...[ these are Pirsig's words!]. Still...what it does
say!!! that if we all, individually, point our noses into the quality
direction we'll get somewhere eh? Sounds like a pretty collective effort we
are directed towards in our efforts at 'improvement of the world'. Not all
this individual freedom stuff based on John Locke's ideas you constantly go
back to. Just to be clear Platt: I am not advocating everybody thinking and
doing the same thing. What I am suggesting is an individual complement
towards harmony...towards One.
Not a singular One but a multy-facetted One (as in many different notes
making up a symphony). As far as I can understand your 'freedom' is that the
symphony in my metaphor will never get written. Each note will simply be
going on on its own carried by its own individual lonely self.

2) ZMM clearly shows that Phaedrus went 'a different path' (p352).'He felt
that the solution started...- with a new spiritual rationality- in which the
ugliness and the loneliness and the spiritual blankness of dualistic
technological reason would become illogical'.

Once again Platt, I cannot see your notion of individualism and freedom (the
political one's you are espousing here on this philosophic forum) to even
come close to this suggested solution of Phaedrus.

Platt:
You can do better than name-calling, Andre. You really can.

Andre:
I do try my best Platt

Platt:
I would call it the perfection of mystical individual thinking. There's no
such thing as "communal thinking." Only zombies and robots all think
alike.

Andre:
See my comment above. ..and many an individual mystical 'thinking' arrives
at one, and only one conclusion, and that is that All is One.

Platt:
But the toughest battle you'll ever have is to be yourself against the
demands of others to be something else.

Andre:
This is what I mean by your notion of individuality and freedom Platt. You
see it as a BATTLE against your fellow wo/man. It really reminds me of
Pirsig's example of Chris with his YMCA camp experience. You seem to be
setting ego against ego whilst I would suggest individual selves with
differences...on the same road to Quality, Harmony, the One. The ego doesn't
permit this.

Regards
Andre