[MD] SOM's defect comes home to roost

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Arlo, Mark, All.

3 Dec. :

 [Mark]
> I love the way some will resort to hyperbole to make a point.
 
[Arlo]
> Its only "hyperbole" if it frustrates your simplistic demonizing.
> "Environmentalism", via "coercion", cleaned up the Chicago River, a
> river "capitalism" had left so horridly polluted it could burn. Are
> you saying you oppose this?

Arlo's "demonizing" made me smile, wonder who demonizes the 
most? I am a skeptic regarding the climate part of environmentalism, 
however in this country the two are intertwined in a most intricate 
fashion so it's very difficult to express skepticism without being called a 
"milieu swine". I'm all for keeping everybody's surroundings clean, both 
from the overt "greasy" pollution and the more subtle invisible kind. But 
the CO2 doomsayers has now taken over completely and the public 
debate sounds more like a  "Jehovah Witnesses" meeting than the 
wise people I  - once upon a time - thought ran the world. For instance 
a recent report from Bangla Desh about people drowning because of 
the alleged rising sea levels, disregarding the fact that it's over-
population which that has driven people out to these shifting mudflats 
that are regularly flooded, not any ocean rise. There's absolutely  zero 
such rise, at least over here, a ninety year old man called me the other 
day (after I had had written a reader's letter in a local paper) he told 
me about a boat-house constantly flooded when he was little that is 
now a considerable distance above the high-tide mark. Also reports 
about drifting icebergs near New Zealand (indicating a cooler southern 
hemisphere) is ignored as is all signs of a "global balance", everything 
must fit the doomsday model. OK, perhaps technology and industry 
needs a new goal - zero emission this and milieu-friendly that - the fact 
that this requires more raw material, energy and carbon dioxide 
emissions than the savings I take with a wry smile, like Mark about the 
prophets criss-crossing  the globe in Learjets to spread the "woe ye 
sinners" gospel. 

Bodvar         










> 
> [Mark]
> What's better a mall or a park?  Your opinion does not make it so.
> 
> [Arlo]
> No, collectively we must decide how best to use our balance our need
> for public lands with our need for private enterprise. 
> 
> [Mark]
> Environmentalism tells us how we should live, Capitalism does not. 
> 
> [Arlo]
> Whoaaaa! Now that's quite delusional.
> 
> [Mark]
> Stop telling other people how they should live.
> 
> [Arlo]
> In other words, the Chicago River should be cleaned by charity, while
> the companies are permitted to continue unrestricted dumping. Right.
> That'll work. You'd need a full time contingent round the clock to
> clean up the amount of garbage they were dumping. That's really the
> world you want? 
> 
> In any event, I take it you are on my side regarding abolishing laws
> regulating the noise my Vance and Hines are allowed to make? Yes??
> 
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