[MD] SOM's defect comes home to roost

[markhsmit]

Hi Arlo,
We are on the same page here.  Yes, environmentalism is also a product of
Quality.  The endeavors of man are indeed within the expression of Quality.

The question is, where does this leave free will?  I believe that although choice
is quite restricted, there is a modicum of personal power (if you will) that inter-plays
with the expression of Quality.  Quality provides the choices, but there is a loophole
which allows free will.  This is not unlike Christianity that contends that God provides
free will, although God is everything.  I am not Christian and simply use this point
to expound on the sentence before.  With this said, it could also be deduced that 
that which diminishes free will suppresses the expression of Quality.  It can be said
that capitalism reduces free will by making us all subservient to the almighty dollar.
However, that desire for more comes from within.  Some environmentalism dictates
in a way that diminishes free will.  This could well be for the purposes of saving the
planet for future generations, but such speculation is purely intellectual and not
necessarily innate to everyone.

In terms of the noise pollution, that is a good question for a court of law, as that
may impact personal freedom.  Of course cutting down a forest also invades the
personal freedom of taking a hike.  This is why I do not like to argue by bringing
up extremes as if they support a position.  Consensus is also a difficult one, since
the silent minority have their freedom impacted.  So it is all a grey area.  I would agree
that you should be able to take the muffler off and destroy your ears.  Communities
have developed covenants for this kind of thing.  If all you Hell's Angels (headquarters
near where I live) created a noisy community, that would be one solution.

The deal with environmentalism, in some cases, is that it extends to laws and
political manipulation which extends into broad areas.  There is no voting on
this, no ability to dissent.  The treaty on global warming is one such effort.  And
so, it is nice to see that proponents of such a thing are shown to be manipulative
and devious towards a desired end (no matter how religious).  Many people are
tired of being dictated to by scientists, who are just other people after all.  It would
appear from the research I have read, that the understanding of global warming
is not complete enough to dictate economics.

Mark
On Dec 2, 2009, at 10:09:39 PM, "ARLO J BENSINGER JR" <ajb102 at psu.edu> wrote:
From:   "ARLO J BENSINGER JR" <ajb102 at psu.edu>
Subject:    Re: [MD] SOM's defect comes home to roost
Date:   December 2, 2009 10:09:39 PM PST
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
[Mark]
Reason did not create capitalism, Quality did. 

[Arlo]
Then "reason" created "environmentalism" too. Or did Quality only create the
things that agree with you?

"Capitalism" was an economic theory thought out and implemented by humans via
reason. It didn't miraculously spring into existence by mandate of some higher
power.

[Mark]
How can you put the endeavors of man outside of Quality? 

[Arlo]
Huh? I'm not even sure what this means. Quality is revealed IN the endeavors of
man. Are you saying "reason" is "outside Quality"??? Isn't "reason" an
"endeavor of man"???



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