[MD] CO2 and Climate.

X Acto xacto at rocketmail.com
Fri Dec 11 19:39:18 PST 2009 


Bodvar sayd:

If the human brain (I guess you mean the human mind)  has created 
SOM (the mind/matter metaphysics) then it has created the MOQ as 
well, and we have a "human brain metaphysics". Oh shit you will not 
even understand the irony, forget it. I spoke to John about the MOQ 
requiring centuries for people beginning to understand ...  see you in 
"2209. 

Ron:
I think thats alittle too optimistic....how can you expect humans to evolve
to such an advanced level as yourself in such a short time?

genius must be soo lonely

poor Bodvar

















> Cheers,
> Mark
> 
> On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:31:17 AM, skutvik at online.no wrote:
> From:  skutvik at online.no
> Subject:    Re: [MD] CO2 and Climate.
> Date:  December 8, 2009 1:31:17 AM PST
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Hello Mark 
> 
> 7 Dec. you wrote:
> 
> > Oxygen goes in, CO2 comes out.  It is an endless cycle.  One
> > could say that Quality is personified in humans as that
> > electromotive force.  
> 
> Right, this is photosynthesis, the basic biological process where
> plants  uses sunlight to grow, but I don't mix Quality into this, it
> merely  organizes existence the known levelish way, it's intellect -
> science -  that speaks about the carbon dioxide and oxygen
> interaction. But  interesting it is!. 
> 
> > The waterfall of electrons going from the reduced to the oxidized.
> > Oxygen is the final electron acceptor, making CO2 and water for the
> > most part. That is certainly where we get our energy.  It is
> > impossible to stop that cycle, it was here before man.  Matter gets
> > full of electrons, we use those electrons (in a truly electronic
> > way) to run.  Each day we generate the current of an average
> > refrigerator.  This usage extends beyond our bodies to those things
> > we use.  It is just an extension of our being.  
> 
> Intellect (science) that has discovered all these inorganic
> interactions  and their use by living things is just remarkable. One
> thing though, I  spoke about the atmosphere's composition, do you know
> if moisture -  water vapor - is counted as part of it? I so IT must be
> the one big  climate factor and not the diminutive CO2 part. 
> 
> > If I  were once again to invoke Quality, any building of levels
> > requires such energy.  The more the energy, the higher the Quality. 
> 
> Energy is limited to the inorganic level, when it comes to MOQ's 
> biological level the various organism's energy conversions are still 
> inorganic. Do you understand? In our bodie's exploiting food's energy 
> the exploitation part is biological value while the energy part is
> (still)  inorganic value. The inorganic level is the base of all
> levels, yet the  upper levels are not a continuation of its "energy".
> Q-biology is that of  having "cowed" the inorganic level into serving
> its own purpose. Yours  about everything being an energy evolution is
> intellect's OBJECTIVE  view, the highest yet subordinated the DQ/SQ
> scheme.. 
> 
> > If one gets out of this need to save the human race, and takes the
> > ride for what it was meant, then Quality is served.  Any movement
> > requires energy.  Without it everything is stopped still.
> 
> This is just saying what I said above, namely that all levels have
> the  inorganic level as their fundament.
> 
> Bodvar
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> > Mark
> > 
> > On Dec 7, 2009, at 12:51:10 AM, skutvik at online.no wrote:
> > From: skutvik at online.no
> > Subject: [MD] CO2 and Climate.
> > Date: December 7, 2009 12:51:10 AM PST
> > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > Hi Arlo
> > 
> > 3 Dec. you spoke::
> > 
> > > Arlo gave a valid, historical example of "environmentalism" acting
> > > "coercively" to regulate and restrict business practices that led
> > > to a river being so polluted it caught on fire. How is that
> > > "demonizing"? Mark said there is no such thing as "reasonable"
> > > environmentalism, I contend there is, and that this is but one
> > > fine example.
> > 
> > Right, I did not read your post attentively enough to catch the
> > ironic  points. 
> > 
> > > Arlo wonders if you read any of his posts, of just skim for areas
> > > you think you can post some disagreement about? Because if you had
> > > read his posts, you would see that Arlo holds little sympathy for
> > > "doomsayers". But he also holds little sympathy for those who
> > > blindly demonize any and all environmental coner siderations. 
> > 
> > Risking not to have understood your subtleties, it's the 
> > environmentalist unholy alliance with climatists which is my point.
> > I  don't deny that there may be some temperature fluctuation afoot -
> > our  november this far north has been rather mild - not since
> > eighteen..  something the meterorologists say. Well, then it was
> > just as warm  before any man-made CO2!
> > 
> > Another thing. The doomsayers makes it sound as if CO2 now fills
> > the  air and the gullible populace swallow it, but the fact is that
> > the  atmosphere composition is remarkable stable, the nitrogen part
> > 78%,  oxygen 21% and CO2 a feeble 0,030 plus some rarer gases. How
> > can  this insignificant part play such a huge role? No. there's
> > something  rotten here. 
> > 
> > > Arlo has said repeatedly, the truth is somewhere inbetween, but is
> > > tired of the idiotic Holy War whose only goal is to blindly
> > > advance an ideological view rather than discuss real concerns
> > > (just as with "PC"). As for sounding like "Jehovah's Witnesses",
> > > those who insist there is a global, one-world conspiracy afoot,
> > > where "the academy, media, government and entertainment" are all
> > > anti-liberty, freedom-hating, tyrannyists bent on enslaving the
> > > world... well, they sound like "Jehovah's Witnesses" to me as
> > > well... 
> > 
> > "Somewhere in between" sounds like trying to reconcile SOM's 
> > dichotomies. However pitting the establishment against people isn't
> > so  pronounced over here, it seems more like the mentioned plebeian 
> > "howling with the wolves" phenomenon. The bio-fuel issue also
> > caused  a stir when it was "discovered" that it was burning food,
> > again my wry  smile again over the politicians' effort to be correct
> > - always.
> > 
> > Bodvar. 
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