[MD] Why isn't the hot stove obvious?

[skutvik at online.no]

Hi again Andre.

19 Dec. u wrote:

> Bodvar, if you insist on stressing that Quality= truly the one and
> only Reality, dynamic, transitory, ever-changing and everything else
> and you suggest that there is no distinction between naming DQ and
> experiencing DQ then I do not know why you suggest that the only way
> to really understand the MoQ is through your SOL.

The MOQ created the Quality Reality just like Phaedrus said the 
Newton's Theory created the Gravity Reality. I maintain that Pirsig 
backed down from Phaedrus radical assertion and presented the 
MOQ as a mere intellectual (in a SOM sense) idea-pattern that won't 
alter the REAL world. You (all) happily embrace this watered-down 
version of the MOQ, only I hold Phaedrus' "torch" burning. 

> To name anything is to define, encapsulate it and Pirsig had a real
> difficult time, as related in LILA, to commit himself to 'doing it
> anyway'.

This is the "silly" Pirsig who, after having stated the true "no one living 
in an ordered universe can avoid metaphysics", lapes back into the 
arch-somish, Aristotelian, notion of metaphysics as a subjective 
theory ABOUT an objective reality. To start the creation of a S/O-less 
reality this way is self defeating and hence MOQ's problems.  

> Your SOL does not exist! The MoQ does not exist!The inorganic,
> organic,social and intellectual levels do not exist! They are illusory
> because transitory, ever changing. You cannot 'lay you head and call
> it home'. It is pure convenience to talk about Quality in this
> way...i.e. in this everyday world of events and subjects and objects
> as they appear to us...yes... your SOL/SOM!

OK, let's say everything is illusion - that realitys building block is 
illusion - well then you have a "Metaphysics of Illusion" (MOI). 
Dynamic Illusion and Static Illusion and the known static levels: 
inorganic illusion, biological illusion ...etc. Fine. I'm not the one who 
insists on Quality, there are many good candidates, IMO it's the 
Dynamic/Static split - instead of the S/O - which is the stroke of 
genius.   

Bodvar