[MD] The MOQ and religions.

[John Carl]

Good morning Marsha,

John earlier:

> Experience can't be what you describe, either unpatterned or without
> > staticity.  The very defining of experience requires a static pattern in
> > order to be experienced.  The idea of "before" is itself a static pattern
> of
> > existence relative to time and obviates the pure nullity you postulate,
> imo.
>
> Marsha:
> I did not define unpatterned experience because such an experience cannot
> be bound by words, and I certainly did not use the word 'before'.



Well you don't have to use the word if you imply it, and otherwise it seems
sorta nonsensical, so I do some construing there.

This could be quite a challenge, dialectically speaking, you say something
that doesn't make sense to me, and I say to you , that doesn't make sense to
me and then you reply it's not supposed to make sense because its impossible
to make sense.

To which I reply, "oh.  Ok."


  But "unpatterened experience" is far worse because its a
> > philosophical self-contradiction.
> >
> > A metaphysics no-no.
>
> Marsha:
> Is it a philosophical self-contradiction in the same way as seeing orange
>  or blue?  If not,  than how is it a philosophical self-contradiction?
>
>
>
It's a contradiction because experience is  a patterning.  Thus you can't
have "unpatterned patterning" in a philosophically logical way.  Not unless
you want to do some explaining of yourself young lady!



> > But if you think  the words you use are false, then I have to wonder why
> you
> > use them?
>
> Marsha:
> Words are static patterns of value.  Value has me.
>
>
Ah, well that clears it up nicely.



> >  Isn't the idea of words that we use them  for truth?
>
> Marsha:
> Value creates 'we'.
>
>
Only if it's in the mood.


>
> >
> > I mean, we know when we shoot for the moon we'll miss, but at least it
> > provides a big fat aim point.
>
>
> Marsha:
> Experience is experience is experience.
>
>
Succinctly, redundantly tautological.

Catchy, but nonsensical.

I can hum the tune, but I doubt anybody'd dance to it.  Try taking some
lessons from Ron.

John, tapping his toes.