[MD] The MOQ and religions.

[MarshaV]

On Dec 27, 2009, at 10:56 PM, John Carl wrote:

> Marsha,
> 
> Does not the perceptual patterning of a valuating aagent presuppose any
> experience?

There is Quality(unpatterned experience and patterned experience).


> 
> Whatever you call it, it has to fit within this biological matrix or it
> doesn't (as far as I can see)

Some patterned experience fit within the biological level of the MoQ.



> 
> exist.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 1:31 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Dec 27, 2009, at 3:35 PM, John Carl wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> But "unpatterened experience" is far worse because its a
>>>>> philosophical self-contradiction.
>>>>> 
>>>>> A metaphysics no-no.
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha:
>>>> Is it a philosophical self-contradiction in the same way as seeing
>> orange
>>>> or blue?  If not,  than how is it a philosophical self-contradiction?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> It's a contradiction because experience is  a patterning.  Thus you can't
>>> have "unpatterned patterning" in a philosophically logical way.  Not
>> unless
>>> you want to do some explaining of yourself young lady!
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> John,
>> 
>> Quality is unpatterned experience and patterned experience, so no,
>> experience is not necessarily
>> patterned; that can be realized first-hand.  Experience often involves
>> patterns, but sometimes
>> it does not involve patterns.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
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