[MD] Why isn't the hot stove obvious?

[skutvik at online.no]

Hi again Andre

29 Dec. you wrote:

Bodvar to John:
> In the MOQ everything is static value patterns FYI, and as said
> intelligence is a mercenary that serves all static levels. SOM (or
> intellect) its latest employer why you all seem bent on intelligence
> as intellect,
 
Andre:
> I'll scramble bits and pieces here and there Bodvar. So your argument
> is that intelligence (the activity commonly known as thinking) is in
> the service of intellect i.e the S/O division/aggregate MEANING that
> this thinking AUTOMATICALLY pre-supposes a 'subjective' thinking (in
> my head) about an 'objective' world (out there). In other words (we
> are led to believe) that there is a difference between what happens in
> our head as related to what happens in the world.This is its claim and
> its (i.e. SOM's) VALUE???

I'm impressed! No sarcasm! THIS is a most concise presentation of 
the SOL (interpretation of the intellectual level). Great! Fantastic! It has 
really been comprehended .... at least by ONE person.  

> And POP!!! out comes Pirsig and says: NO!!! it is the other way
> around: The 'world' comprises static PoV's , 'you' comprise THE SAME
> static PoV's. Whatever happens 'in your head' is not subjective or
> objective. 

Popeye the sailor man ;-) But this is no objection but rather SOL's very 
point. Intellect is a static level so it's S/O schism only goes "skin" deep 
(till its social root shows) However - before the MOQ, while intellect 
were SOM - the S/O distinction was regarded to be a bottomless, 
unbridgeable chasm, and because we know that subject and object 
(mind and body) interacts freely it created platypuses galore. This is 
how the MOQ resolves the mind/matter paradox, not Pirsig's tedious 
method in LILA.   

> All are static patterns of value. The world comprises you and you
> comprise the world. The DISTINCTION has evaporated. 

Perhaps this is what you say here? However it's only the distinction in 
its metaphysical - SOM - form that evaporates. The S/O (minus "M") is 
the highest and best static value. 


Bodvar