[MD] Subjects, Objects, and Santa Claus

[John Carl]

I think?

I think subjects exist, but only objectively.

I think objects exist, but only subjectively.

I think both exist, but only in terms of each other.

And nowhere can you draw a line between the two.

And anywhere you want, you can draw the line between the two.

And I think that's saying the same thing you said,

only different.



On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been thinking in terms of value for some years now. There are no
> subjects and objects. They're only a convenient fiction, something
> we're taught to believe our whole life. This teaching runs very
> deep... just look at the energy Bo has expended over the years
> perpetuating that belief through his every post.
>
> Thinking in terms of subjects and objects is like believing in Santa
> Claus. It's true that Santa Claus exists. No one can deny it. And it's
> the same with subjects and objects. They exist. Yet, like Santa Claus,
> they exist as a convenient fiction. Believe in them if you will... it
> does no harm. Arguing about subjects and objects is like arguing over
> the number of points on Santa's reindeer's antlers.
>
> There are no objects, no things, in the world we call reality... there
> are no subjects, no individuals; there is no community; there is
> nothing of permanence. The world is composed of value... patterns of
> value... all the way down.
>
> This is very profound.
>
> The world is an idea. And as such, we shape the world just by
> thinking. Go ahead. Try it. Believe as most people do that the world
> is composed of subjects and objects. Rail against the inequity.
> Despise the corporations. The world is monolithic, imposing,
> constructed of objects that are hard and unmoving.
>
> Try believing now that the world is composed of value. The world is an
> idea. It is like plastic... as soft and as pliable as your thoughts...
> take it and mold it any way you want. All you have to do is believe -
> it will happen without effort, without even trying. As the doors of
> subjects and objects disappear, opportunities will present themselves
> unasked for. The world will bend to your will.
>
> What do you think?
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