[MD] Wanted: A proper foundation

[X Acto]

Ron:
If you would, how do you define absolute truth? Essense is one and static, absolute
in wholeness, all finite expereince is illusionary.

Ham:
1) My argument (to Ron) is that Truth is an absolute which is not accessible to finite creatures.

Ron:
Then you negate your own arguement. How do you propose to make the distincton
between Truth and fantasy? If you are proposing that the myth you have created
is of value guiding the life expereince, then admitting such and demonstrating uses 
and benefits would be most welcomed, but your claims equate absolute truth with
any other myth.
I do not think that this saves you from the charge of nihlism either, you still define
what our culture understands as objective reality as an illusion, this is nihlism.

Does Essentialism propose an absoulte morality?  

It Proposes an absolute reality, but one we do not expereince, Logic is 
contextual to expereince so how would logic apply to derrive something
which expereince does not recognize and know?

what more can you give me other than you your say so in this matter?





 



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From: Ham Priday <hampday1 at verizon.net>
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 1:56:20 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Wanted: A proper foundation

Hi Craig --


[Ham, previously]
> Since all knowledge is derived from experience,
> Truth is relative to the individual

[Craig]:
> Is this your argument?
> 1) knowledge is truth
> 2) all knowledge is derived from experience
> 3) :. all truth is derived from experience
> 4) experience is relative to the individual
> 5) :. Truth is relative to the individual

Extracted statements are dangerous, especially when defining something as complex as epistemology.

1) My argument (to Ron) is that Truth is an absolute which is not accessible to finite creatures.  For pragmatists interested in predictive reliability and relational (cause-and-effect) processes, "truth" is the knowledge, axiom, or dynamic principle that works to solve or answer a particular problem.  So, while "knowledge is truth" as it applies to the differented world, it is not Absolute Truth in the metaphysical sense.

2) Yes, knowledge of facts, principles, and events is the fund of information from which the intellect draws to make conclusions.  All knowledge is derived from experience.

3) What humans call "truth" is generally based on experience (i.e., experiential reality).  Logic and mathematical "truth" are intellectual precepts that reflect this experience.

4)  Yes, experience is proprietary to individual awareness, the psychic nature of which is value-sensibility.  Nothing is experienced that does not start as value-sensibility, which means that value is the ground of experiential reality.  As Pirsig rightly said, "If a thing is not valued, it does not exist."

5) Ibid: As stated above, insofar as Truth = Knowledge, it is relative to the locus of experiential existence, which is the individual.

Thanks for the questions, Craig.  How credible do you think my answers are?

Regards,
Ham


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