[MD] Theism/epistemology

[MarshaV]

Greetings,

Within the MOQ, theism, god and religion are static patterns of value.


Marsha




At 04:58 PM 2/6/2009, you wrote:

>Ron and Marsha (responding to Michael's theism) --
>
>[Marsha asks several questions]:
>>What is the relationship between theism and knowledge
>>and how is it determined?
>
>>Okay, you like the label G*d.  Is G*d like the color I pick
>>to paint my bedroom?   Or does G*d have a function?
>
>>Is G*d's function in any way to convey information?
>
>[Ron posits an all-inclusive Qualityism]:
>>The same questions may be asked of Quality.
>>I think this is where the conversation is pointed towards.
>>What ever we call this idea - god, Quality, larry - we still
>>mean the predisposition towards certain types of experiences.
>>Those patterns we call betterness.
>>Humans, as all living patterns tend toward those patterns which
>>promote existence. Biologically we feel a type of pleasure
>>associated with them. Life is a turn on. The mystical experience
>>is the ecstacy of being, I think, if one slows things down and
>>focus on the experience of now we feel it.
>>Existence is mysterious and wonder-full....
>
>Three facts supported by logic:
>1)  That questions can be asked about Quality does not make it God 
>or the primary source.
>2)  That we cannot directly experience or prove the existence of God 
>or Essence does not           falsify a primary source.
>3)  That one may choose to believe or not believe in a transcendent 
>reality proves that man has free choice.
>
>Ron's misuse of a biblical quotation in defense of nihilism is sure 
>to win the hearts of believers like Michael:
>>We just are, why can't people just bathe in it, and accept it?
>>I am that I am.
>
>For those who missed Sunday School, Jehovah is the Hebrew name 
>equated with "I Am."  It comes from the same root as the verb "to 
>be" and implies a personal relationship to the Creator.  In the book 
>of Exodus, God (Jehovah) expresses his eternity to Moses by naming 
>himself  "I am."  As Moses prepared to take his people out of Egypt, 
>he asks of God:  "...when I come unto the children of Israel, and 
>shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you: 
>and they shall say to me, what is His name? What shall I say unto 
>them?  And God said to Moses I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt 
>thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."
>
>As I've said before, neither Quality nor Man comes into being by 
>its/his own power.  Only an uncreated source has the distinction of 
>self-sufficiency. Therefore, whether you accept the primary source 
>or not, it is illogical to apply the phrase "I am that I am" to a human being.
>
>Thanks for allowing me this interruption.  As a "third party" here, 
>I shall recuse myself from your debate other than to point out such 
>inconsistencies as the above.
>
>Essentially yours,
>Ham
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