[MD] Theism/epistemology

[Michael Poloukhine]

> Marsha
> A concept with no value will soon cease to exist.  
MP: Your POV is not the only source of value, and as you have expounded on 
it, completely entrenched in an SOM perspective; if I can't prove it to you, you 
insist it doesn't exist. 

Quality doesn't exist, but you accept it nonetheless.

You speak of mystical experience, but then tell me "experience is experience" 
as if there is no variation, as if they are all the same glass of water. 

As an MoQ'er I should think would understand this not to be the case better 
than anyone.

> How are you going to make me think differently?
MP: I have no intention of making you do anything. If you want to think 
differently, *you* are the one to whom you should be asking this question, not 
me. 

And *you* will only ever do so by asking yourself "why" instead of "how."

Belief is about experience not knowledge. It is about experience, not proof. I 
describe my experience about belief the best I can in an epistemological 
framework, but unless you are prepared to attempt the experience, it is a 
pointless exercise; knowledge is not experience.

Again, I'd think an MoQ'er would innately accept this.



If what I have said so far has not made sense to you, then either I am incapable 
of describing what I understand to you, or you can't and/or are unwilling to 
understand what I describe. Either way your quest for knowledge does not 
appear to be one helped by my experience on this topic. Either you persist for 
the purpose of proving me wrong, or for the sake of proving yourself right. 
Either way, my part in your power play is involuntary as I am not here to try to 
*prove* anything, and I haven't any intention in being coerced into doing so for 
your purposes. 

If I had the sense you actually were interested in understanding what I am 
attempting to convey, the situation would be entirely different.