[MD] Theism/epistemology

[MarshaV]

At 02:08 PM 2/7/2009, you wrote:
>At 02:04 PM 2/7/2009, you wrote:
>> > > > > > >[Marsha]
>> > > > > > >Within the MOQ, theism, god and religion are static patterns of
>> > > > > > > value.
>> > > > > > >[Krimel]
>> > > > > > >What is a static pattern?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >Marsha:
>> > > > > >A conceptual construct, or a static pattern of value.  Do you like
>> > > >paradox?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >[Krimel]
>> > > > > >What is a conceptual construct?
>> > > > >
>> > > > >[Marsha]
>> > > > >Why don't you tell me.  You know you want to...
>> > > > >
>> > > > >[Krimel]
>> > > > >Sounds like just a thought.
>> > > >
>> > > >Marsha
>> > > >A mental construct, a static pattern of value.
>> > > >
>> > > >[Krimel]
>> > > >Constructed of what?
>> > >
>> > >Marsha
>> > >Constructed of emptiness which dependent arising.
>> > >
>> > >[Krimel]
>> > >"Constructed" of emptiness? Emptiness arising? Dependant on what?
>> >
>> >[Marsha]
>> >Dependent arising:
>> >
>> >This is the understanding that any phenomenon exists only because of
>> >the existence of other phenomena in an incredibly complex web of
>> >cause and effect covering time past, time present and time future.
>> >This concept of a web is symbolized by Indra's net, a
>> >multidimensional spider's web on which lies an infinite amount of dew
>> >drops or jewels, and in these are reflected the reflections of all
>> >the other drops of dew ad infinitum.
>> >
>> >Stated in another way, everything depends on everything else. A human
>> >being's existence in any given moment is dependent on the condition
>> >of everything else in the world at that moment, but in an equally
>> >significant way, the condition of everything in the world in that
>> >moment depends conversely on the character and condition of that
>> >human being. Everything in the Universe is interconnected through the
>> >web of cause and effect such that the whole and the parts are
>> >mutually interdependent. The character and condition of entities at
>> >any given time are intimately connected with the character and
>> >condition of all other entities that superficially may appear to be
>> >unconnected or unrelated.
>> >
>> >[Krimel]
>> >But if it's all just concepts from whence do they arises? Other concepts?
>> >And where do they reside? More concepts? What sort of "existence" are you
>> >talking about? What is a phenomenon?
>>
>>Marsha
>>All conventional phenomena are conceptually designated, depending for
>>whatever identity and existence they have on such designation (static
>>pattern of value), and that this merely imputed status is their
>>ultimate nature.
>>
>>[Krimel]
>>So conventional phenomena are more concepts? But they have an ultimate
>>nature beyond being concepts?
>
>
>Marsha:
>Things from there own side are free from imputation.  Nothing can be 
>said from their side.


Marsha again:
Krimel, we went through this last month in the thread-subject: Quick 
one: causation.











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