[MD] Faith/Skepticism

[skutvik at online.no]

Hi Joe, perhaps Micael Poloukhine, All

17 Feb. you wrote:

Bo before:
> > Well, let me not stray, the issue was the intellect vs society
> > struggle showing itself in the Western culture's unique
> > faith/skepticism dichotomy, that to my knowledge is unknown to all
> > other cultures I don't know about any upheaval caused by Darwin's
> > theory in Judaism and Islam that I believe has the same Genesis in
> > their holy books.

Joe:
> IMO There is no clear theory of how we know things.  MOQ is evolution.
> DQ/SQ is conceptualization.  Yet DQ participates in evolution.  DQ is
> an undefined term used in two different ways.

It wasn't a question about how we know things ...etc. , but why only 
the Western/Christian culture has developed what we call scientific 
skepticism, why science meddles with religion, and why religion 
feels threatened by science?   

> Considering evolution, there are only so many possibilities.  Why? 
> Our knowledge is limited.  Why?  One answer is that if the past is any
> guide the future is unknown e. g., MOQ transplanting SOM.

There are lots of Israeli scientists and some must work in the 
biological evolution field, but I have never heard about any creation 
vs evolution debate  among Jews. And what is taught in Israeli 
schools?. Likewise, there are universities in Muslim countries and - 
perhaps - scientists. What do they teach? And why dones't science 
undermine Islam? .    
 
> S/O is a part of knowledge.  Is there a further evolution of S,
> creating a seemingly twisted perception of O.  I say yes.  S evolves
> to two further levels than the combination of S/O. Nonsense!  This is
> possible only if evolution itself upholds S. Pretty vague! Undefined! 
> Yet this seems to be the only reasonable explanation for visionaries
> like Jules Verne, H. G. Wells, Christ, Mohammed, etc.

 Either you are wise beyond comprehension or just ...  ;-) Try to 
comcentrate on the issue. Is the reason for the above situation that 
Christendom after Enlightenment tried to adjust and make God a 
scientist? I believe so and this went well at first, but in the long run 
it back-lashed. In a MOQ context it was a social pattern - religion - 
trying to ride an intellectual pattern (science) That could not last 
and it was thrown off. Jewdom and Islam never pretended to be 
"scientific" and ... did they benefit or?

Bo