[MD] Emotions as Q-society's "expression"

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Hi Kieffer

19 Feb. you wrote:

> you said to David:
 
> Interaction - Sensation - Emotion - Reason
> > (inorganic)   (biology)      (social)    (intellect)

> In general i like your interaction, sensation, emotion, reason; its an
> attractive procession!
 
> But that animals "dont emote"! i refer you to Darwin's 'The Expression
> of Emotions in Man and Animals' 

Darwin did not bring Pirsig's books along on the "Beagle"  ;-) so he 
was a somist and in SOM (or at the 4th level) there are only the 
matter and mind realms, and animals (the higher) are matter only 
so complex that they  begin to displayed mind-like attributes like 
emotions.. 

Now, enter the MOQ which divide isn't mind/matter but DQ/SQ 
(and the former M/M is intellect's value) so when I say (to David 
Swift) that animals seeming emotions aren't the real thing, it's not 
a somist speaking who wants animals to be low on the 
"mind/matter" scale, but a moqist who wants them to be at the 
correct level, namely the biological, not the social which came to 
pass with humanity and where emotions are its "expression" 
(according to my  list).    

>  i guess you dont have any pets!

That's correct, but I have seen how dogs beg and cats purr when 
they want something and growl and hiss if they want to scare 
someone away. But - as said - these are "social"  signs in a 
"society in biology's service" sense. They neither hate nor love.        


Bo.