[MD] The Quality/MOQ dichotomy.

[MarshaV]

Material?  Material world?  Both mere static patterns of value!




At 04:17 AM 2/28/2009, you wrote:
>Hello Platt
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>27 Feb.:
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>Bo before:
> > > See, social, inorganic and biological values are made into
> > > intellectual "signs" and "manipulated independently ...etc" exactly
> > > as SOM sees language as an abstract shadow of the real world. All
> > > this go against the very grain of the real MOQ that has relegated
> > > the S/O - mind/matter - distinction as intellect's value. I.e. this
> > > is all INSIDE the 4th. level  .
>
>Platt:
> > Probably a stupid question: "What else is inside the 4th level?"
>
>Nothing else than S/O patterns. But allow me a little "chautauqua".
>The very idea of the static levels is that they are built on top of the
>former, thus the intellectual level is like the proverbial iceberg with
>its intellectual value held above the surface by the enormous mass
>of the lower levels. Yet, from the top seen everything is intellectual
>ice. That's the point: all levels transform everything below into own
>value (what's above is "alien"). Living organisms do not "know" any
>inorganic patterns, it's either a fit environment or not.. Social
>organisms (humans) see everything as useful or useless regarding
>their common cause, and as said intellect "looks down on creation"
>through its S/O glasses and see it all as preparations for the
>emergence of mind. So it's no lack of content, all existence is a
>material world perceived by a mind - or a material world having
>spawned mind, dependent on being a materialist or an idealist.
>
> > If nothing else, doesn't that make the 4th level the exclusive site of
> > S/O metaphysics?
>
>Yes, the 4th. level is SOM - all of it, every last bit! Minus the M
>which is taken over by the MOQ, that now sees everything below
>itself as Quality levels.
>
>Thanks for asking. Platt
>
>Bo
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