[MD] Multiculturalism scam

[Platt Holden]

Hi Mel,

Some cultures are superior to others, as judged by Pirsig's criteria:

"Cultures can be graded and judged morally according to their contribution
to the evolution of life. A culture that supports the dominance of social
values over biological values is an absolutely superior culture to one
that does not, and a culture that supports the dominance of intellectual
values over social values is absolutely superior to one that does not. It
is immoral to speak against a people because of the color of their skin,
or any other genetic characteristic because these are not changeable and
don't matter anyway. But it is not immoral to speak against a person
because of his cultural characteristics if those cultural characteristics
are immoral. These are changeable and they do matter." (Lila, 24)

Am I correct is presuming you agree?

Thanks.

Platt

> 
> Mel,
> The arguement seems to be one of clarity. While Platt argues against
> cultural relativism, Dmb and myself make an arguement for
> multicultralism.
> While we agree with Platt that cultural relativism inhibits a society,
> we
> disagree that the term multiculturalism is synonomous.
> As Dave pointed out, often cultural relativism is used to paint
> multiculturalism to support a closed door policy toward
> ethnic tolerance.Unfortunately this fosters a justification for
> cultural superiority.
> While ethnic tolerance is moraly relativistic, multiculturalism ensures
> that all members, regardless of ethnic backround, agree
> to adhere to the same social laws (morals) governing them equally.
> We see this as breaking cultural barriers in a intellectually dynamic
> way, making it superior to societies who adhere to a more static
> monocultural policy of ethnic intolerance.
> Platt had ageed with me until I pointed out that this conflicted
> with his stance on ethnic intolerance.
> Platt is perfectly within his right to find the cultural practices of 
> others as moraly offensive he is not within his right to justify
> ethnic cleansing under the guise of cultural supremacy as 
> what I took his Pirsig quote to mean to imply.
> 
> "It´s a war of biological blacks and biological whites against social 
> blacks and social whites. Genetic patterns just confuse the matter. And 
> this is a war in which intellect, to end the paralysis of society has to
> know whose side it is on, and support that side and never undercut it. 
> Where biological values are undermining social values intellectuals must
> identify social behavior, not matter its ethnic connection, and support it
> all the way without restraint. Intellectuals must find biological
> behavior, 
> no matter what its ethnic connection, and limit or destroy destructive 
> biological patterns with complete moral ruthlessness., the way a doctor 
> destroys germs, before those biological patterns destroy civilization 
> itself. (Lila, 24)
> 
> What Pirsig does say here is that social patterns must be upheld no
> matter
> the ethnic origin unless those patterns are biologically destructive.
> 
> Multiculturalism is such a position. A position which upholds ethnic
> social patterns while limiting or destroying destructive biological
> patterns.
> 
> -Ron
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> ________________________________
> From: ml <mbtlehn at ix.netcom.com>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2009 8:15:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Multiculturalism scam
> 
> Platt/ dmb/ Ron/ all:
> 
> I find it interesting that I read these two posts and
> find that they are not always antagonistic.  In fact
> they seem to raise a question as they work to define
> a previously unseen shape, a question.
> 
> What are the limits of multi-culturalism inside a
> single society?
> (at what point does it weaken a society,
> at what point does it strengthen one?
>   --in MOQ terms)
> 
> thanks--mel
> 
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> 
> Platt said:
> Multiculturism is based on the postmodern idea that all cultures are
> morally equal, i.e, that they are neither "good nor bad," "right or
> wrong."
> 
> This idea is challenged by the MOQ.
> 
> "A culture that supports the dominance of social values over biological
> values is an absolutely superior culture to one that does not, and a
> culture that supports the dominance of intellectual values over social
> values is absolutely superior to one that does not "
> 
> So a democratic republic that protects individual rights to free speech,
> private property, trial by jury, etc. is superior to a Stalinist regime
> that requires individuals to support the dictates of a communist state
> under penalty of imprisonment or death.
> 
> I make no apology for my bias towards a culture of democracy as opposed
> to
> a culture of totalitarianism.
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