[MD] Using the MOQ

[Christoffer Ivarsson]

Andre got angry (and I know how he feels):

> Hello all you peace loving MoQ'ers:
>
> Jesus fucking christ!! What a whole heap of shit and absolute bullcrap
> is flying around on this discuss at the moment. People are truly showing
> their colours advocating MoQ backing for carrying fucking guns, protecting
> private property (where has Pirsig suggested this???), heralding the new
> free market age despite the absolute bankrupty of America!! You have not
> learnt a fucking thing out of all the misery you have caused and created
> (world wide)!!!!!!!!
> Pirsig, by his own admission is a Democrat. Does this make him a left
> fucking wingy then as well?? And what does that make the MoQ?? An
> ob-fucking- jective metaphysics of reality???
> NO!!!
> The MoQ is morality, the GOOD, the BETTER, VIRTUE, looking after one 
> another
> with absolute moral integrity!!. It is against private property!! (fucking
> SOM divisions and the cause of fucking wars and all that bullshit/ blowing
> eachother to bits and pieces over a piece of fucking land...representing
> what?? a piece of dirt you can represent and identify with, believing and
> living what dreams and illusions you have???).
> Some of you simply do not wish to let go. Simple as that.
> I find it absolutely incomprehensible to carry the MoQ in one hand and a 
> gun
> in the other.
> For what it is fucking worth.
> Those who feel offended...show your true fucking colours and say so!
> Hammer me!
> Andre

Well Andre, I'm with you. But then again, I am one of those godless lefties 
who believe in - oh horror - a democratic society where the good of human 
beings and intellectual growth is the guiding force.  To write about that in 
some lenght:

Ron writes:

> Hello Platt,
> I do not think anyone is disagreeing about the sucess of the free market
> we ask, at what cost? herione is the most successful at making one feel
> good but does it make sense to be a junkie? there are other ways to feel
> good that are more labor intensive but in the long run it is more healthy
> and sustaining.
> Do you consider the dangers and warnings of cigarette smoke a scam?
> -Ron


And I say that this is exactly what I have been saying for quite some time. 
The Free Market system is a giant who keeps on going, despite occasional 
meltdowns  - I for one don't agree with Marx on the theory of the Market 
being destined to totally collapse at some point, it will continue if it is 
let, but at what cost? Human lives and intellectual values is worth nothing 
to this giant unless there is profit to be gained by them, and despite what 
Platt rambles on about, if the intellectual level can't step in to steer it 
on course there is no hope for a sustainable future,

because do you really think that the giant is concerned with the 
environment? Just as with human life, the answer is no. It is up to the 
intellectual level to impose restrictions, higher patterns of Good upon the 
social level, if we are to survive in the long run. And to be able to live 
with ourselves right now I might ad.

I don't think that this entails making the economy stagnant - and if anyone 
tries to play the "The Free Market is more open to DQ"-card I will puke. DQ 
can not be spoken of in a specific way, and it can certainly not be used to 
advocate a unchecked Free Market system. It's like using the Tao to 
advocate - well, anything. Pointless.

I think that we can bring about an intellectually guided economy, and reform 
our social structures at large to make them democratic and with intellectual 
value at the centre without becoming to "static". To believe that we can 
actually hinder DQ from being realized seems quite weird to me anyhow, and I 
keep saying that since we cannot talk about DQ we should talk about the 
patterns of Good that we CAN see and talk about and choose the best of 
those. The value of human life and the furthering of The Quest for Knowledge 
(any) should be first and foremost I feel.


Regards
Christoffer