[MD] Using the MOQ

[francisco albano]

 From: Christoffer Ivarsson <IvarssonChristoffer at hotmail.com>
To: moq_discuss at lists.moqtalk.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 12:50:40 AM
Subject: [MD] Using the MOQ


>>And I say that this is exactly what I have been saying for quite some time. The Free Market system is a giant who keeps on going, despite occasional meltdowns  - I for one don't agree with Marx on the theory of the Market being destined to totally collapse at some point, it will continue if it is let, but at what cost? Human lives and intellectual values is worth nothing to this giant unless there is profit to be gained by them, and despite what Platt rambles on about, if the intellectual level can't step in to steer it on course there is no hope for a sustainable future, because do you really think that the giant is concerned with the environment? Just as with human life, the answer is no. It is up to the intellectual level to impose restrictions, higher patterns of Good upon the social level, if we are to survive in the long run. And to be able to live with ourselves right now I might ad.

>>I don't think that this entails making the economy stagnant - and if anyone tries to play the "The Free Market is more open to DQ"-card I will puke. DQ can not be spoken of in a specific way, and it can certainly not be used to advocate a unchecked Free Market system. It's like using the Tao to advocate - well, anything. Pointless.

>>I think that we can bring about an intellectually guided economy, and reform our social structures at large to make them democratic and with intellectual value at the centre without becoming to "static". To believe that we can actually hinder DQ from being realized seems quite weird to me anyhow, and I keep saying that since we cannot talk about DQ we should talk about the patterns of Good that we CAN see and talk about and choose the best of those. The value of human life and the furthering of The Quest for Knowledge (any) should be first and foremost I feel.


AMEN!
I dream of alternative society where the  inorganic-social value of private ownership of the means of production and selfish profit  are NOT the foundational values of society; where political power is not used to create false peace and order [Pax Romana/PaxBushiana] for ruling elites to exploit and oppress the people, but rather to create peace and order based on care and justice, so we can be of service to one another; where intellectual and social values of the highest quality possible can be invented and internalized freely by the people. Whre people believe DQ cannot be hindered from being realized. The dream is being realized all over the world, little by little; step by painful step by the common man, common women. The holy anger  of Christoffer is one manifestation

Paco