[MD] Christendom's place in the MOQ

[MarshaV]

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At 03:46 AM 1/8/2009, you wrote:
>MDiscussion!
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>On Jan. 7
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>Mel to Andre:
> > Although, the first sentence is interesting. Is this a biological Jesus
> > acting on a social Christ, maybe an intellectual one acting against his
> > social role?
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>Andre:
> > I think, Mel, if he were to return today he would definately exclaim:
> > 'I am not a Christian!'
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>Christendom's place in MOQ's level system has been an interest
>of mine since I learned about Pirsig's ideas and that - in his opinion
>- religion is the primary social value pattern. This I agree with
>regarding Judaism, Islam and the Old Testament Christendom,
>but the "modern" New Testament type Christendom is something
>else. Besides it seems far from having reached any final form, in
>this country (Norway) there are clergymen who (gives the
>impression of) not believing in God. One particularly pastor said so
>explicitly and was removed from his office (Christendom is a the
>"state religion" in this country) The old- and new testaments co-
>exist in a strange symbiosis, there's even two theological faculties
>at a university, one liberal and one orthodox. The former accepts
>gay marriages and even gay clergies while the latter don't and
>speak about "God having forbidden it", yet things seems to move
>the liberal way.
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>It was Mel's above:".. maybe an intellectual Jesus acting against
>his social role?" that caught my interest. My opinion is that Jesus
>picked up the intellectual (SOM) signals from the Greek culture -
>directly or via the Roman occupants - and that his revolt against
>Mosaic Law (the law for humans, not humans for the law) was
>intellectual value's first intrusion on this social value-steeped
>region. Intellect had no impact on Judaism then (it's still
>impervious) nor on the later Islam, and for 1,5 thousand years
>Christendom also continued in the traditional vein with a bit more
>complicated divine family. After the Renaissance however Jesus'
>human message came to the fore again. The later development
>was many-faceted, but generally it ended up in the said liberal
>form. In MOQ-speak Christendom became more and more
>intellect-influenced, but intellect (SOM) spawned the MOQ, what
>will a MOQ-influenced Christendom be like, will it become a
>Buddhist/Taoist-like wisdom? Or does the MOQ aspire to a future
>wisdom that even encompasses the Eastern tradition?
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>Andrè's about Jesus "returning" ....etc. He did of course not know
>about his future role as "Christ" or anything else of things to come,
>but in general I believe that he was in conflict with the said
>"Semitic" tradition and only MOQ's level model explains what
>happened then and what followed ....and will happen.
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>IMO
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