[MD] Christendom's place in the MOQ

[MarshaV]

At 03:29 AM 1/9/2009, you wrote:
>Marsha, Platt and MD
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>Jan. 8
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>Marsha exclaimed something I guess is exasperation over my
>raising such an odd topic, but I like to draw conclusions from
>premises. You should try it some day.

Bo,

I rise magnanimously above such childish remarks.


Marsha






>Platt wrote:
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> > It has always been of interest to me that people here and elsewhere who
> > claim to be atheists invariably invoke the teachings of Jesus when asked
> > to describe the basis for their moral guidance. Whether it's extolling
> > the goodness of being my brother's keeper or making love not war,
> > invariably Christian moral principles are imputed by atheist
> > intellectuals. Some radical leftists have even gone so far as to claim a
> > Marxist government would be a  an expression of Christian ideals.
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>Yes, the Bible was so long our frame of reference that it became
>ingrained. Even if "enlightened" I find it a loss that it no longer is
>generally known, there are so many to-the-point phrases there. For
>instance  "Give unto Caesar what Caesar's is" that I forgot in my
>opening post, indicating Jesus' budding intellectual leaning, what
>we now know as the secular/religious dichotomy. The lack of what
>is Islam's curse.
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> > All of which raises the question: Is Christian morality also an
> > intellectual level morality?
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>Yes, there are definitely moral aspects that are Christian and
>intellect-influence, in general the human worth and rights which so
>dominate it, but the term "moral" is still synonymous with the Fall
>Myth about good and bad entering existence. What is good and
>what is bad is the Ten Commandments on to which countless
>additions has been added, particularly in Judaism and Islam (if
>Islam has something like the commandments??) at least the Tora
>and Koran are choke full of rules and regulations.
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>Then Christendom. My knowledge is not great, but the Greek
>influence began with Constantine making it a "state religion" (that
>was the first secularizing) and Aristotle becoming a Church Father.
>A major shift took place when the S/O offshoot Soul/Body entered
>and drove a wedge between Christendom and it's Semitic roots.
>This dichotomy is not known in Judaism and Islam something that
>demonstrates their pre- or non-S/O quality.  But is was not until the
>said Renaissance and enlightenment that it really took off.
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>But still Christendom is still a peculiar mix, how liberal many
>clegypersons are and accepting the scientific explanation of most
>aspects of life, also that Jesus was conceived normally by Joseph
>and merely a "good person", morals is still a religious matter; good
>and bad must have some divine reference, hence the Old
>Testamentists. And I guess the latter not grasping the there can be
>highly moral cultures - the Chinese f.ex. - without any  it having a
>divine guarantor.
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> > That a Christian-suffused group of Founding Fathers in the U.S.
> > established the MOQ-cited intellectual level guarantees of freedom of
> > speech, freedom of religion, trail by jury, etc. would suggest a "yes"
> > answer.
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>Definitely. For the Founding Fatheres FF) these rights and
>freedoms were what they saw as the highest divine message (I
>guess there weren't atheists in late sixteenth century). So this is
>the point: We see that something greater than religion picks the
>parts of holy texts that fits its purpose, the Bible surely has parts
>that supports despotism, but this greater something made the FF
>focus on the  parts that support human worth and rights. And the
>MOQ reveals what's at work behind the scene.
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>Bo
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