[MD] Quick one: causation

[Krimel]

[Marsha]
In place of 'causes', the Buddhist might say 'mutually interdependent 
causes and conditions'.  I think this is closer to RMP's use of 
'value', where value creates both subject and object.

[Krimel]
Or the enlightened Buddhist speak of probability.

That last point is one of the few points I kind of agree with Ham about.
Pirsig's claim makes sense as phenomenology. All experience carries with it
a sense of value. We are attracted (positive value) or repelled (negative
value) to one degree or another by our experiences. This is not a rational
process. It is automatic and I would argue to a large extent hardwired into
us. From that phenomenological experience of value we derive a sense of
subjects and objects. But to claim that value is some metaphysical entity
decomposing into subjects and objects is just hyperbole.