[MD] Quick one: causation

[Krimel]

>[Krimel]
>This is a big stumbling block. Marsha for example keeps repeating the manta
>that it is all just conceptual patterns devoid of "reality;" just the
>shifting of points of view; illusion, maya. It is not just that the TiTs 
>are unknowable in their fullness but that they have no "existence" in any 
> sense of the term "existence."

- Marsha
Wrong, wrong, wrong.   Marsha says that patterns are devoid of 
inherent existence.

And what they refer to lacks inherent existence.

[Krimel]
I stand corrected:

This is a big stumbling block. Marsha for example keeps repeating the manta
that it is all just conceptual patterns devoid of inherent existence, just
the shifting of points of view; illusion, maya. It is not just that the TiTs
are unknowable in their fullness but that they have no "inherent existence"
in any sense."